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Message: [QUOTE="Hoophound, post: 3560645, member: 271"] The big thing missed in these MJ debates is his speed and strength. He was so explosive and quick for 6’6’ guy. At the same time he was very strong and his body control was amazing. I just don’t see it in anyone else at that high of a level. Also, I think giving him a penalty for having Harper and Rodman is a little unfair. Both were getting older. Dennis was unreliable. Harper was way past prime. He was slow and always having pain from one thing or another. He was not the old Ron Harper and wouldn’t have been the best player, or even second best, on any team at that point. [/QUOTE]