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Message: [QUOTE="nelsonmuntz, post: 3556816, member: 833"] First of all, I disagree completely about the travels in the 90's vs. today. Refs call the NBA a lot tighter now in every way than they did 25 years ago, for better or worse. Does anyone remember Ewing's post moves in the latter half of his career? It would start with dragging his pivot foot, then be at least 2 full steps, with the pivot foot coming up and back down before he shot. It was two travels in one. Jordan's face up and penetration move was often a travel because he would shuffle his feet, reversing which one was forward, before he started penetration. I wouldn't get too worked up about it, but it was technically a travel. I won't defend the Pistons. I thought the way they played was an embarrassment to the game, and I am glad that it is not possible anymore. That style is one of the reasons I don't give that team or Isiah Thomas a lot of credit. It wasn't basketball, and if refs were calling it correctly, the Pistons would be getting bounced in the first or second round of the playoffs every year. [/QUOTE]