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Message: [QUOTE="KnightBridgeAZ, post: 2777687, member: 591"] I will concede Vanderbilt somewhat. They were, for quite a while, very solid middle of the pack, and maybe better than that at one time. I long held them up as a classic Sweet 16 team under Foster, at a time when some on the BY complained that that wasn't good enough to be considered good. Unfortunately, things went South (in conference, at least) late in Balcomb's career. I will not concede Kansas - and I liked their coach (Bonnie Hendrickson? something like that), as well. But a check of all the seasons beginning in the 2011-2012 Sweet 16 year reveals under .500 in conference each and every year. I know they had 2 good NCAA seasons - but they fattened up their wins against the little sisters of the poor, went close to but under .500 in conference and got into the tourney in those seasons. If you are not competitive in your conference, I cannot call you successful. You don't have to win it, just win more than you lose. K State improved when Jeff Mittie showed up. For the period I looked at, they were worse than Kansas. And I didn't like their coach, Deb Patterson, either. I agree with what you say about the B1G, I'll add that when we (Rutgers) played at Wisconsin back in the early 2000's they had a seat program that you licensed your seat (same seat, automatically) for Basketball, Women's Basketball and Ice Hockey. And since the women's tix weren't pricey and the team wasn't bad (at the time) a lot of the folks bought the tickets and got to sit in their very good seats they licensed for other sports. Probably helped their attendence. We didn't really start following WBB till '96, and while I knew Moody / Alabama as a good team, I didn't know about the Sweet 16's. Your whole informative posts are excellent. [/QUOTE]

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