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Message: [QUOTE="superjohn, post: 4472735, member: 1522"] You're dinging Pelé because he was deemed a national treasure by the Brazilian gov't and they wouldn't let him leave for Europe? It took him being retired from the Brazilian national team for a few years and being retired from Santos for something to be negotiated by the American gov't and the Brazilian gov't for him to finally be allowed to leave and come to America at around 35 years old. Santos was also as good as it gets in the world then, it was a completely different time where the Euro clubs didn't dominate and the money wasn't insane. [/QUOTE]