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Message: [QUOTE="HuskyHawk, post: 3674496, member: 1414"] Will you and [USER=1522]@superjohn[/USER] stop with that “declaring them dead“? Nobody is declaring them dead. But this is a real shift that was already expected and which was accelerated by the virus. The massive increase in bandwidth the last five years is what made it more viable. Functional video conferencing from home is relatively newly available. I agree that collaborative development benefits from in person work. No question. But this isn’t a temporary shift. Most office workers are indeed email and web based application users. There is a cost savings. But there are certainly real benefits for workers too. Flexible hours, savings on wardrobe, fuel or transit costs, miles on the car, hours saved etc. It isn‘t a coincidence that I have to wait four months to get a rowing machine. Webcams were all sold out for awhile. Laptops are taking many weeks for delivery. [/QUOTE]