women college basketball officiating

[TerpWomenFan]

I just hate women college basketball officiating so much. I will admit that the one foul called on Boston was bogus. But the drive by Miller was a foul on Boston at the beginning of the 3rd quarter. The 5th foul on Abby Myers was the most blown call at the tournament so far. The Terps got called for 26 fouls and South Carolina got called for 12. The Terps still only lost by 11 and South Carolina only held them three points below their average. The best team won but they got a whole lot of help from the officiating. Sometimes you want a fair game.

 

[bballnut90]

I just hate women college basketball officiating so much. I will admit that the one foul called on Boston was bogus. But the drive by Miller was a foul on Boston at the beginning of the 3rd quarter. The 5th foul on Abby Myers was the most blown call at the tournament so far. The Terps got called for 26 fouls and South Carolina got called for 12. The Terps still only lost by 11 and South Carolina only held them three points below their average. The best team won but they got a whole lot of help from the officiating. Sometimes you want a fair game.

Agree 100%. Those last 2 fouls on Abby were beyond awful. Tough way to go out. The better team won and SC deserves it, but the reffing was atrocious and blatantly favored SC all night. Great effort by the Terps and congrats to SC on making another Final Four.

 

[Centerstream]

And looking at their names, I don't recognize the name of any of the three.

I just don't understand how a team, any team, that has made it this far in the tournament, would commit twice as many fouls.

 

[Hayven]

I expect the same issue to arise for Iowa

 

[JstVisiting]

I expect the same issue to arise for Iowa

South Carolina fans expect Iowa to get the friendly whistle.

 

[JstVisiting]

I just hate women college basketball officiating so much. I will admit that the one foul called on Boston was bogus. But the drive by Miller was a foul on Boston at the beginning of the 3rd quarter. The 5th foul on Abby Myers was the most blown call at the tournament so far. The Terps got called for 26 fouls and South Carolina got called for 12. The Terps still only lost by 11 and South Carolina only held them three points below their average. The best team won but they got a whole lot of help from the officiating. Sometimes you want a fair game.

She should have kept her feet. Falling down in a stiff breeze works out sometimes. But sometimes the refs notice the earlier flops and assume “here they go again.”

Doesn’t always work to absorb the contact, admittedly. In the first, Diamond Miller committed two offensive fouls on one possessions. Neither was called because the SC defender absorbed it instead of reacting as if she was shot, only for Miller to be rewarded with FTs on her FGA. But you live with that. It’s still a better move to keep your feet and continue to play basketball. Because this is sports, not theater class.

 

[bballnut90]

Worth noting too-the technical on Miller was ridiculous. She and Hall got a little chippy, separated. South Carolina scored and then Hall taunts Miller and claps at her, Miller made no reaction and didn’t say anything back. Refs issue a double T instead of just giving it to Hall.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

I just hate women college basketball officiating so much. I will admit that the one foul called on Boston was bogus. But the drive by Miller was a foul on Boston at the beginning of the 3rd quarter. The 5th foul on Abby Myers was the most blown call at the tournament so far. The Terps got called for 26 fouls and South Carolina got called for 12. The Terps still only lost by 11 and South Carolina only held them three points below their average. The best team won but they got a whole lot of help from the officiating. Sometimes you want a fair game.

I thought it was strange that the officials allowed Maryland to foul for awhile then started calling touch fouls on them later.

Would have been tough adjustment for Terp defenders.

Officiating is weird. The game now rewards flops, emphasizes charges to the point where block calls are hard to believe when they rarely occur, permits fouling almost at will in the lane, but loves to whistle touch fouls on the perimeter.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

And looking at their names, I don't recognize the name of any of the three.

I just don't understand how a team, any team, that has made it this far in the tournament, would commit twice as many fouls.

Well, I guess start with onecteam having a huge size disadvantage and then add ultra aggressive extended defense.

Maryland got the better of the whistles in first quarter but the inconsistency weighed against them the rest of the way.

I'm used to SCar getting fouled and playing through it though. SC doesn't flop and that's kind of what is encouraged.

 

[The deacon]

South Carolina fans expect Iowa to get the friendly whistle.

Why would you expect that? The Gamecocks have gotten the whistle regularly for several years. SC is the best team and seemingly the refs want to be sure the best team wins.

 

[sweetspot]

She should have kept her feet. Falling down in a stiff breeze works out sometimes. But sometimes the refs notice the earlier flops and assume “here they go again.”

Doesn’t always work to absorb the contact, admittedly. In the first, Diamond Miller committed two offensive fouls on one possessions. Neither was called because the SC defender absorbed it instead of reacting as if she was shot, only for Miller to be rewarded with FTs on her FGA. But you live with that. It’s still a better move to keep your feet and continue to play basketball. Because this is sports, not theater class.

What? Why would keeping her feet have mattered when the charging call depends on whether the feet are set or not?

 

[shiverz45]

Do you'll actually believe SC doesn't get foul on all those layups and offensive putbacks? Poor Saxton gets bodied and push every time she goes up for a shot. Unlike Boston, she can't play through the contact because of her lack of bulk. Meyers got a couple of bad whistles at the end. The only probably that I have, they allowed Maryland to play physical early and got whistle happy later on. I am sure that gave them a false security of what they could do.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

What? Why would keeping her feet have mattered when the charging call depends on whether the feet are set or not?

It's 50% falling down convincingly these days.

Certainly it no longer requires having your feet set.

The power that be have unwisely decided that rewarding the impediment of offensive flow is good for the game. The charge is communist.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Do you'll actually believe SC doesn't get foul on all those layups and offensive putbacks? Poor Saxton gets bodied and push every time she goes up for a shot. Unlike Boston, she can't play through the contact because of her lack of bulk. Meyers got a couple of bad whistles at the end. The only probably that I have, they allowed Maryland to play physical early and got whistle happy later on. I am sure that gave them a false security of what they could do.

Yes, they did a switcheroo on them.

But the real issue was they got tired and couldn't maintain the physicality inside.

And SC adjusted to the pressure (and got the PG for the matchup into the game).

 

[shiverz45]

Why would you expect that? The Gamecocks have gotten the whistle regularly for several years. SC is the best team and seemingly the refs want to be sure the best team wins.

The reason why is when you are the bigger and more talented team, the inferior team has to do extra to compete. Therefore, they get called for more fouls. This is nothing new.

 

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[Blueballer]

The reason why is when you are the bigger and more talented team, the inferior team has to do extra to compete. Therefore, they get called for more fouls. This is nothing new.

So what explains all the fouling that SC does that doesn't get called?

 

[Aluminny69]

I thought it was strange that the officials allowed Maryland to foul for awhile then started calling touch fouls on them later.

Would have been tough adjustment for Terp defenders.

Officiating is weird. The game now rewards flops, emphasizes charges to the point where block calls are hard to believe when they rarely occur, permits fouling almost at will in the lane, but loves to whistle touch fouls on the perimeter.

Ironically, in the OSU Va Tech game, the Refs called mostly blocking fouls, I don't remember one charge. I just don't get it. I will say it over and over again, way too much flopping in WCBB. The rules committee needs to pus a stop to it. Make it a point of emphasis.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

 

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[KnightBridgeAZ]

And looking at their names, I don't recognize the name of any of the three.

I just don't understand how a team, any team, that has made it this far in the tournament, would commit twice as many fouls.

Well, I recognized the names, they have been around for at least a while. I think Gina Cross is the best known, Julie is (I think) an ex-player. Angelica Suffern worked the old Big East definitely.

What they are not is names I recognize as top level long timers. That said, at some point we need to realize that the long timers are getting long in the tooth.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

Ironically, in the OSU Va Tech game, the Refs called mostly blocking fouls, I don't remember one charge. I just don't get it. I will say it over and over again, way too much flopping in WCBB. The rules committee needs to pus a stop to it. Make it a point of emphasis.

Odd group of refs. Roy Gulbeyan for a number of years worked the most games of any ref (its been a while since I followed it). He has in the past worked from coast to coast - while there have always been a few west coasters that worked at times in the east, he was the opposite. Brenda Pantoja is a PAC ref, she is an Arizona grad and isn't allowed to referee in Tucson, I think because she was Adia's teammate. Heck of a ref, I think she is in the police department in LA. I don't know Lukanich.

Yes, there is a lot of flopping. As I have told the story before, back in 2004 (I think) we stopped in at an in-season tourney in Cameron Indoor (on our way to a Rutgers game at, IIRC, Clemson) and the Duke team practiced flopping during their warm-up time. In front of the refs. Who were laughing with them (I think it was Dee Kantner, but could have been Sally Bell). During the game, they flopped and got the calls. In 2004ish

 

[TerpWomenFan]

The only reason I started the post was the disparity in fouls. 26-12 is way too big a difference in fouls considering the magnitude of the game. The Terps had 5 players in foul trouble at halftime. I thought South Carolina was the team that had incredible depth. The officials really sabotage the Terps in the 2nd quarter.

 

[JJTB]

It’ll be interesting to see if Clark is called for warding off the defender with her left arm when she attacks the hoop.

 

[Reypl21]

It must suck to go from being the team who gets all of the ridiculous calls vs ND and then the roles reverse vs SC. 26-12 is atrocious. Reffing in WBB really needs to improve next season. Can't say I feel bad for MD in this particular instance.