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Taken from Seattle's Breanna Stewart Named 2018 Most Valuable Player - WNBA.com - Official Site of the WNBA

Again. how did Tiffany Hayes not make the All Star Game

Sue should get a little more credit for the Storm Season than 4 pts.

Parker should get less credit for being a stat stuffer who failed to have any real impact when they needed her both in the playoffs and at the end of season. Beat out DT. :confused::confused::confused:

When was the voting done?



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No idea when the voting is done but it doesn't look like a bad list to me. Stewart was by far the MVP this season and I would have ranked Cambage and EDD 2 and 3 respectively after her. Parker was a distant 4 and finished just of Taurasi.

Hayes had a great year and probably should have made the all star team, along with Vandersloot. I would place Sloot on the All WNBA First team with Taurasi as the other guard and Hayes on the 2nd team with Bird as the other guard.
 
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Interesting to note, Stewart is the inly one on all 39 ballots.
 
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There was a very good case for Liz Cambage. Highest points ever in a game. League leader in scoring. Second in rebounds. Fifth in blocks. If it weren't for the fact that the Storm are a much better team, Liz Cambage should have taken it.

As regards why Tiffany didn't get the All-Star nod, it's because you need a fan base to vote for you and Atlanta has practically no fan base.
 

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There was a very good case for Liz Cambage. Highest points ever in a game. League leader in scoring. Second in rebounds. Fifth in blocks. If it weren't for the fact that the Storm are a much better team, Liz Cambage should have taken it.

As regards why Tiffany didn't get the All-Star nod, it's because you need a fan base to vote for you and Atlanta has practically no fan base.


While you don't need to be on the best team to be an MVP, the way the Wings nearly imploded out of the playoffs and the way she carried herself turned a lot of voters away I am sure.

Regarding Tiffany, it was not all fan voting. The selection process was

a combination of fans (40 percent), current WNBA players and head coaches (20 percent each) and a national panel of sportswriters and broadcasters (20 percent).

So a lot of supposedly knowledgeable people must of "screwed the pooch"
 
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There was a very good case for Liz Cambage. Highest points ever in a game. League leader in scoring. Second in rebounds. Fifth in blocks. If it weren't for the fact that the Storm are a much better team, Liz Cambage should have taken it.

As regards why Tiffany didn't get the All-Star nod, it's because you need a fan base to vote for you and Atlanta has practically no fan base.
You need to play well on offense, and defense, which Liz has a problem with, she doesn't make her team better on the defensive end. The wings were pathetic on defense which is why they had a bad losing streak.
 

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Sue should get a little more credit for the Storm Season than 4 pts.

Sue had the MVP on her team (who should tremendous growth in her third year), as well as the MIP in Natasha Howard and a fourth-year pro in Jewell Loyd who made tremendous strides with career highs in rebounding (4.6 rpg), assists (3.7 apg), and steals (1.2 spg) to go with her 15.5 ppg (and a career low in turnovers per game).

While Sue was the glue that held the team together, let us not forget that this is an award for the most valuable player in the entire WNBA. Four votes seems quite right.

There was a very good case for Liz Cambage. Highest points ever in a game. League leader in scoring. Second in rebounds. Fifth in blocks. If it weren't for the fact that the Storm are a much better team, Liz Cambage should have taken it.

While you don't need to be on the best team to be an MVP, the way the Wings nearly imploded out of the playoffs and the way she carried herself turned a lot of voters away I am sure.

Liz Cambage joined a team that went 16-18 last year and finished 7th in the league and helped lead the Wings...
...to a record of 15-19 and an 8th place finish in the league.

Now, obviously, a lot has to do with coaching and personnel. And Cambage has had an outstanding season. But may be difficult fro some voters to get past the fact that a 16-18 team that added Cambage (and Azura Stevens), lost virtually no one (except Chrismas-Kelly), finished not just with a losing record, but a worse record. People have their own definition of what constitutes the MVP, and the NBA/WNBA has always resisted defining it, but I could easily see that leading some votes to question "value"/"valuable" with Cambage.

Again. how did Tiffany Hayes not make the All Star Game

Remember that a huge percentage of votes/voting comes from fans.
-- 8.3 points, 3.6 assists, 37.4 percent shooting (2014)
-- 7.6 points, 3.2 assists, 37.8 percent shooting (2015)

Those were the numbers of Shoni Schimmel in her first two WNBA seasons. In BOTH seasons she was voted by the fans as a starter for each year's WNBA All Star game (she won the 2014 All Star MVP award).

Regarding Tiffany, it was not all fan voting. The selection process was

a combination of fans (40 percent), current WNBA players and head coaches (20 percent each) and a national panel of sportswriters and broadcasters (20 percent).

So a lot of supposedly knowledgeable people must of "screwed the pooch"

Or, at the time of the All Star Game, there was a teammate whose return after missing last year was being credited with a lot of Atlanta's success and its turnaround from last year.

Angel McCoughtry - Atlanta's career leader leader in games, points, field goals, assists and steals - was voted in as an All Star for 2018 (and ended up starting for the fifth time in as many ASG appearances). At the time of the first returns from All Star voting, Hayes was 32nd overall in voting - and well behind McCoughtry (who was 23rd).

Also, after 25 games last year (without Angel McCoughtry, but WITH Hayes), Atlanta was 10-15. This year, with McCoughtry (and a new coaching change), Atlanta was 16-9 after 25 games (at the time of the All Star game). At the time of the All Star Game, it was perfectly reasonable to see Atlanta's turnaround and attribute it to McCoughtry. Another fact - Hayes averaged 16.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, and 2.4 apg in 2017, while averaging 17.2 ppg, 3.6 rpg, and 2.7 apg in 2018. If the numbers look relatively similar, but the overall record is vastly different, a teammate can overshadow her.

But with McCoughtry going down and Atlanta not only went 4-1 to close the regular season, but also secured the #2 seed (and double bye) in the playoffs. Since the MVP award is for the entire regular season, people may now be looking at Atlanta's success in a different way and starting to see what Hayes did for the team this year.

Parker should get less credit for being a stat stuffer who failed to have any real impact when they needed her both in the playoffs and at the end of season. Beat out DT. :confused::confused::confused:

Parker is the only player in the WNBA to rank in the top ten of points, rebounds, and assists (technically, 11th in points, but her ppg average - 17.9 - was the same as the player in 10th place). She is the only player in the WNBA to finish in the top twenty in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.

In the last 12 games of the year – when LA was fighting for a playoff spot – Parker averaged 19.8, points, 10.3 rebounds, and 5.3 assists per game. This is while Alana Beard missed four of the final 12 games, while Nneka Ogwumike also missed four of those games.
 
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Sue had the MVP on her team (who should tremendous growth in her third year), as well as the MIP in Natasha Howard and a fourth-year pro in Jewell Loyd who made tremendous strides with career highs in rebounding (4.6 rpg), assists (3.7 apg), and steals (1.2 spg) to go with her 15.5 ppg (and a career low in turnovers per game).

While Sue was the glue that held the team together, let us not forget that this is an award for the most valuable player in the entire WNBA. Four votes seems quite right.





Liz Cambage joined a team that went 16-18 last year and finished 7th in the league and helped lead the Wings...
...to a record of 15-19 and an 8th place finish in the league.

Now, obviously, a lot has to do with coaching and personnel. And Cambage has had an outstanding season. But may be difficult fro some voters to get past the fact that a 16-18 team that added Cambage (and Azura Stevens), lost virtually no one (except Chrismas-Kelly), finished not just with a losing record, but a worse record. People have their own definition of what constitutes the MVP, and the NBA/WNBA has always resisted defining it, but I could easily see that leading some votes to question "value"/"valuable" with Cambage.



Remember that a huge percentage of votes/voting comes from fans.
-- 8.3 points, 3.6 assists, 37.4 percent shooting (2014)
-- 7.6 points, 3.2 assists, 37.8 percent shooting (2015)

Those were the numbers of Shoni Schimmel in her first two WNBA seasons. In BOTH seasons she was voted by the fans as a starter for each year's WNBA All Star game (she won the 2014 All Star MVP award).



Or, at the time of the All Star Game, there was a teammate whose return after missing last year was being credited with a lot of Atlanta's success and its turnaround from last year.

Angel McCoughtry - Atlanta's career leader leader in games, points, field goals, assists and steals - was voted in as an All Star for 2018 (and ended up starting for the fifth time in as many ASG appearances). At the time of the first returns from All Star voting, Hayes was 32nd overall in voting - and well behind McCoughtry (who was 23rd).

Also, after 25 games last year (without Angel McCoughtry, but WITH Hayes), Atlanta was 10-15. This year, with McCoughtry (and a new coaching change), Atlanta was 16-9 after 25 games (at the time of the All Star game). At the time of the All Star Game, it was perfectly reasonable to see Atlanta's turnaround and attribute it to McCoughtry. Another fact - Hayes averaged 16.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, and 2.4 apg in 2017, while averaging 17.2 ppg, 3.6 rpg, and 2.7 apg in 2018. If the numbers look relatively similar, but the overall record is vastly different, a teammate can overshadow her.

But with McCoughtry going down and Atlanta not only went 4-1 to close the regular season, but also secured the #2 seed (and double bye) in the playoffs. Since the MVP award is for the entire regular season, people may now be looking at Atlanta's success in a different way and starting to see what Hayes did for the team this year.



Parker is the only player in the WNBA to rank in the top ten of points, rebounds, and assists (technically, 11th in points, but her ppg average - 17.9 - was the same as the player in 10th place). She is the only player in the WNBA to finish in the top twenty in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.

In the last 12 games of the year – when LA was fighting for a playoff spot – Parker averaged 19.8, points, 10.3 rebounds, and 5.3 assists per game. This is while Alana Beard missed four of the final 12 games, while Nneka Ogwumike also missed four of those games.
My biggest problem with the awards is, How can the teams finishing 5,6,7, and 8th in the league, have 7 players on the season ending WNBA 1st and Second Team? Griner, Taurasi, Parker, Moore, Fowles, Cambage, Diggins-Smith. The top 3 teams get 3 Stewart, Hayes, and Delle Donne. Too many of the players on that list got awarded on past years, and not this year which is what the awards are for. Sue should have been either 1st or 2nd team because she was the Point Guard on the best team in the league.
 
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Tiffany Hayes finishes 6th in MVP and doesn't make All Star team. Hayes was tons better than Augustus this year.
Hayes last 3 years ppg 15, 16, 17
Augustus last 3 years ppg 11, 10, 10

(Augustus awarded on past performance the past 3 years. Her first 4 years in the league she avged 21 ppg . Now less than half that. Keep making her an All Star until she gets down to single digits)
Tiffany's outside shot is so ugly which hurts the perception of her but she is a real basketball player on both ends.

point bout Liz Cambage:
2017 Dallas Wings record without Liz 16-18 lose First Round
2018 Dallas Wings record with Liz 15-19 lose First Round
 
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My biggest problem with the awards is, How can the teams finishing 5,6,7, and 8th in the league, have 7 players on the season ending WNBA 1st and Second Team? Griner, Taurasi, Parker, Moore, Fowles, Cambage, Diggins-Smith. The top 3 teams get 3 Stewart, Hayes, and Delle Donne. Too many of the players on that list got awarded on past years, and not this year which is what the awards are for. Sue should have been either 1st or 2nd team because she was the Point Guard on the best team in the league.

To be honest I tend to agree. Are these the official All WNBA teams? Which of the 7 players from the lower ranked teams would you leave off?

Hayes should have been an all star over a few players but she missed the cut, along with Vandersloot. It's not fair but just the reality .
 

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My biggest problem with the awards is, How can the teams finishing 5,6,7, and 8th in the league, have 7 players on the season ending WNBA 1st and Second Team? Griner, Taurasi, Parker, Moore, Fowles, Cambage, Diggins-Smith. The top 3 teams get 3 Stewart, Hayes, and Delle Donne. Too many of the players on that list got awarded on past years, and not this year which is what the awards are for. Sue should have been either 1st or 2nd team because she was the Point Guard on the best team in the league.


These are individual awards--not team awards. I'd put Bird on 2nd team over Diggins, but I don't see anyone else who deserves to be on a team from top 4 teams. The top 4 didnt have more standouts than teams 5-9--what they had were better support players who were massively important to team's success even if they weren't scoring 15-20 per game. You look at players like Toliver, Latoya Sanders, Natasha Howard, Jessica Breland, Elizabeth Williams, any Connecticut starter, etc. and they were very strong contributors and were vital to their team's success but didn't average 15-20 ppg. When looking at All-WNBA teams, they go to who has had the best season, and I don't think there's any question that players like Parker, Fowles, Wilson, Moore or Cambage had stronger seasons overall when you look at their body of work.
 

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Sue had the MVP on her team (who should tremendous growth in her third year), as well as the MIP in Natasha Howard and a fourth-year pro in Jewell Loyd who made tremendous strides with career highs in rebounding (4.6 rpg), assists (3.7 apg), and steals (1.2 spg) to go with her 15.5 ppg (and a career low in turnovers per game).

While Sue was the glue that held the team together, let us not forget that this is an award for the most valuable player in the entire WNBA. Four votes seems quite right.





Liz Cambage joined a team that went 16-18 last year and finished 7th in the league and helped lead the Wings...
...to a record of 15-19 and an 8th place finish in the league.

Now, obviously, a lot has to do with coaching and personnel. And Cambage has had an outstanding season. But may be difficult fro some voters to get past the fact that a 16-18 team that added Cambage (and Azura Stevens), lost virtually no one (except Chrismas-Kelly), finished not just with a losing record, but a worse record. People have their own definition of what constitutes the MVP, and the NBA/WNBA has always resisted defining it, but I could easily see that leading some votes to question "value"/"valuable" with Cambage.



Remember that a huge percentage of votes/voting comes from fans.
-- 8.3 points, 3.6 assists, 37.4 percent shooting (2014)
-- 7.6 points, 3.2 assists, 37.8 percent shooting (2015)

Those were the numbers of Shoni Schimmel in her first two WNBA seasons. In BOTH seasons she was voted by the fans as a starter for each year's WNBA All Star game (she won the 2014 All Star MVP award).



Or, at the time of the All Star Game, there was a teammate whose return after missing last year was being credited with a lot of Atlanta's success and its turnaround from last year.

Angel McCoughtry - Atlanta's career leader leader in games, points, field goals, assists and steals - was voted in as an All Star for 2018 (and ended up starting for the fifth time in as many ASG appearances). At the time of the first returns from All Star voting, Hayes was 32nd overall in voting - and well behind McCoughtry (who was 23rd).

Also, after 25 games last year (without Angel McCoughtry, but WITH Hayes), Atlanta was 10-15. This year, with McCoughtry (and a new coaching change), Atlanta was 16-9 after 25 games (at the time of the All Star game). At the time of the All Star Game, it was perfectly reasonable to see Atlanta's turnaround and attribute it to McCoughtry. Another fact - Hayes averaged 16.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, and 2.4 apg in 2017, while averaging 17.2 ppg, 3.6 rpg, and 2.7 apg in 2018. If the numbers look relatively similar, but the overall record is vastly different, a teammate can overshadow her.

But with McCoughtry going down and Atlanta not only went 4-1 to close the regular season, but also secured the #2 seed (and double bye) in the playoffs. Since the MVP award is for the entire regular season, people may now be looking at Atlanta's success in a different way and starting to see what Hayes did for the team this year.



Parker is the only player in the WNBA to rank in the top ten of points, rebounds, and assists (technically, 11th in points, but her ppg average - 17.9 - was the same as the player in 10th place). She is the only player in the WNBA to finish in the top twenty in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks.

In the last 12 games of the year – when LA was fighting for a playoff spot – Parker averaged 19.8, points, 10.3 rebounds, and 5.3 assists per game. This is while Alana Beard missed four of the final 12 games, while Nneka Ogwumike also missed four of those games.


Damn Cam, all that to avoid mowing the grass! Just funning ... prodigious effort. Nice work.
 

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Sue had the MVP on her team (who should tremendous growth in her third year), as well as the MIP in Natasha Howard and a fourth-year pro in Jewell Loyd who made tremendous strides with career highs in rebounding (4.6 rpg), assists (3.7 apg), and steals (1.2 spg) to go with her 15.5 ppg (and a career low in turnovers per game).

I think Stewie, Natasha and Jewell deserve credit for their development, but I also think that Sue being on the same team is not a coincidence. I would attribute some of their improvement to having Sue as a teammate on and off the court. During the Phoenix game, the announcers mentioned Sue getting them together to work on nutrition. I don't think Sue was top-5, but I'd move her up 2-3 slots. Seattle had their best record in 8 years and by far the best record this season.
 

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Some interesting observations on the vote tallies ...

As DriveLH notes, all 39 voters thought Stewie was in the top 5 (actually top 2). Two voters thought Liz was not in the top 5; one voter though the same about Elena.

Three players got over 200 points. They are grouped somewhat closely.

The next three players got between 48 and 60 points. They are closely grouped.

The rest got between 1 and 11 points. That's the third group.

The 39 voters thought that 14 different players were in the top 5. They thought six different players were in the top 2.

The following teams had 2 players receive votes: Seattle, Phoenix, Minnesota, Atlanta, and Las Vegas. Dallas, Washington, Los Angeles, and Chicago had 1 player each. Connecticut, the 4th place team, had no one on the list, reflecting the balance on the team.

Some players of note did not receive any votes: Tina, Skylar, DeWanna, Jewell, and Nneka.

In my opinion, I agree with the rank of the top 3. I think I'd swap Tiffany's and Candace's spots, based largely on their team's success. I'd put A'ja over Sylvia, omit KMac, and move Brittney up.
 

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