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I don't think they get by KSU. Not only do they lose a critical piece of their 2-3 zone and inside scoring threat, the psychological impact is going to take its toll.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, especially since there is nothing in UNC-Ash resume that tells me that they're good enough to compete with a weakened SU team, but this is one of those scenarios that could lead to the first 16 over 1 seed. It's going to happen one of these days. I must admit, the fact that SU played Melo knowing darn well that he was an ineligible player, I wish them the worst fate of all, being that first #1 to lose to a 16.

I've never been a SU hater. I just about always root for our fellow BE programs, well except Pitt, but SU is dead to me. :)

In some ways maybe we should be thanking SU for taking some of the Husky hating we've been getting thanks to their ignoring their own drug policy controversy and now this.
 
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I don't think they get by KSU. Not only do they lose a critical piece of their 2-3 zone and inside scoring threat, the psychological impact is going to take its toll.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, especially since there is nothing in UNC-Ash resume that tells me that they're good enough to compete with a weakened SU team, but this is one of those scenarios that could lead to the first 16 over 1 seed. It's going to happen one of these days. I must admit, the fact that SU played Melo knowing darn well that he was an ineligible player, I wish them the worst fate of all, being that first #1 to lose to a 16.

I've never been a SU hater. I just about always root for our fellow BE programs, well except Pitt, but SU is dead to me. :)

In some ways maybe we should be thanking SU for taking some of the Husky hating we've been getting thanks to their ignoring their own drug policy controversy and now this.
They won't be the first 1 to lose to a 16, but I don't see them getting far. Of course, I wouldn't be upset if they did, mind you. I think a lot of people underestimate how vital he was to their defense. Just ask Tyler Olander. He was rushing those shots last week like a hot potato.
 
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I'm not sure, but they have lots of experience so one would think they would know how to deal with adversity. This is the time for somebody else on their team to step up.
 
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I'm not sure, but they have lots of experience so one would think they would know how to deal with adversity. This is the time for somebody else on their team to step up.
Maybe they will surprise me and not skip a beat, but I'm inclined to think that losing a key player right before you're about to begin your march for a National Championship that you think is within your grasp, has to be a huge emotional blow. I didn't see what looked like a team with a great deal of mental toughness down the stretch, even though they came back and beat us. I think a whole slew of teams in the Eastern region smell blood in the water.
 

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Maybe they will surprise me and not skip a beat, but I'm inclined to think that losing a key player right before you're about to begin your march for a National Championship that you think is within your grasp, has to be a huge emotional blow. I didn't see what looked like a team with a great deal of mental toughness down the stretch, even though they came back and beat us. I think a whole slew of teams in the Eastern region smell blood in the water.
I can't say I particularly disagree with what you're saying. My gut tells that they'll rally together though, then again I also had indian food tonight.
 
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I don't think they get by KSU. Not only do they lose a critical piece of their 2-3 zone and inside scoring threat, the psychological impact is going to take its toll.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, especially since there is nothing in UNC-Ash resume that tells me that they're good enough to compete with a weakened SU team, but this is one of those scenarios that could lead to the first 16 over 1 seed. It's going to happen one of these days. I must admit, the fact that SU played Melo knowing darn well that he was an ineligible player, I wish them the worst fate of all, being that first #1 to lose to a 16.

I've never been a SU hater. I just about always root for our fellow BE programs, well except Pitt, but SU is dead to me. :)

In some ways maybe we should be thanking SU for taking some of the Husky hating we've been getting thanks to their ignoring their own drug policy controversy and now this.
dropped them 2 rounds in my pool... round of 32, tops.
 
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KSU, Wisconsin, and Vandy all have the capability of beating Syracuse. Then again, Ohio St, Florida St, KSU, Wisconsin, and Vandy have to win their first games - and none of them have an easy first game. Cuse is probably going to end up a S16 game, but they could easily go out in the round of 32. They could still make it to the elite 8 if some major upsets happen in their bracket.
 
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Their track record is poor, no E-8 besides Melo in last 15 years. Of greater concern is foul trouble, because the neutral refs will not take kindly to their agressive defense. If Jim Burr and Ed Corbett do their game they could survive. If they get by KSU Vandy will beat them. Wisconsin??? Bo Ryan's walk up style of play is rarely good in the NCAA, unless the game is played in Madison Wisc.
 

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They will be incredibly weak at center but they should at least get past the first two rounds.
 
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I definitely don't think that they can win the title w/out Fab Melo. I have little sympathy for them after Dyson got hurt against Syracuse and effectively ended any shot we had at taking out UNC in 2009.
 
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They will be incredibly weak at center but they should at least get past the first two rounds.

As a Cuse fan I see them going out in the S16 now...their 2-1 record without Melo does not suggest they are nothing more than a marginal Top 25 team right now. Coach Boeheim better devise some wrinkles to make up for a hole in the center. I kinda like Gottleib's suggestion.
 
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They'll get to the second weekend.

I could see them still going to the Final Four or losing in the sweet sixteen, but I think they'll lose to Sullinger and OSU in the elite 8.
 

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As a Cuse fan I see them going out in the S16 now...their 2-1 record without Melo does not suggest they are nothing more than a marginal Top 25 team right now. Coach Boeheim better devise some wrinkles to make up for a hole in the center. I kinda like Gottleib's suggestion.

If they get by Kansas St they can still.make the elite 8. Their potential S16 game doesn't look too tough. If Ohio State falls early, FF I think would the limit.

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+1, it is Cuse and they usually exit early.
Although so does Vandy usually.

2011: 5 seed, lose to Richmond
2010: 4 seed, lose to Murray State
2009: No tournament
2008: 4 seed, lose to Siena

You have to go back to 2007 since they made it out of the first round (and that year, to their credit, they made the S16).
 
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They won't be the first 1 to lose to a 16, but I don't see them getting far. Of course, I wouldn't be upset if they did, mind you. I think a lot of people underestimate how vital he was to their defense. Just ask Tyler Olander. He was rushing those shots last week like a hot potato.

Yes, they would be the 1st #1 seed to lose to a #16 seed. Never been done. However, 2 #15 seeds have lost. I believe one was a Syacuse team?
 

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Yes, they would be the 1st #1 seed to lose to a #16 seed. Never been done. However, 2 #15 seeds have lost. I believe one was a Syacuse team?
He was saying that they're not going to be the first. As in they're not going to lose to a #16 seed just because they're missing one player.
 
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Yes, they would be the 1st #1 seed to lose to a #16 seed. Never been done. However, 2 #15 seeds have lost. I believe one was a Syacuse team?
Four 2s have lost:

#15 Richmond beat #2 Syracuse in 1991
#15 Santa Clara beat #2 Arizona in 1993 (SC starred Steve Nash)
#15 Coppin State beat #2 South Carolina in 1997
#15 Hampton beat #2 Iowa State in 2001

For all the parity involved, one would think another one of these would crop up--4 in 11 years is decent amount Maybe Detroit or Lehigh?
 
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They won't be the first 1 to lose to a 16, but I don't see them getting far. Of course, I wouldn't be upset if they did, mind you. I think a lot of people underestimate how vital he was to their defense. Just ask Tyler Olander. He was rushing those shots last week like a hot potato.
Found this because I was trying to remember who almost beat Purdue in the first round in 1996:

Best 1 v 16 Games ever
8. 1997 – (1) North Carolina vs. (16) Fairfield

A night on which Dean Smith tied Adolph Rupp’s 876 win total was almost ruined by a team that went 11-18 in the regular season. The Stags actually led by seven at halftime and were within three points with just 3:33 to play. UNC pulled it out, though, and won the game 82-74. Whew!

7. 1986 – (1) Duke vs. (16) Mississippi Valley State

The Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils led by 11 points in the second half and forced 23 turnovers in the game. All-American Johnny Dawkins brought the Blue Devils back, though, and Duke ended up winning 85-78.

6. 1989 – (1) Illinois vs. (16) McNeese State

McNeese State (which I’m still not convinced is a real school) gave top seeded Illinois everything they could handle, but Illinois was able to hang on in the end, winning the game by six, 77-71.

5. 1985 – (1) Michigan vs. (16) Fairleigh Dickinson

The Fairleigh Dickinson Knights led by six at the half in this one. Head coach Tom Green (not the one who starred in Freddy Got Fingered) was with the team then and is still with the team now. They ended up losing the game 59-55, but in the first year of the 64-team format, they’ll forever be remembered as the first #16 to ever really challenge a #1.

4. 1996 – (1) Purdue vs. (16) Western Carolina

Western Carolina was down by just two points with the ball in the final seconds of the game. They took a three pointer that would’ve given them the lead with just a few ticks left on the clock. The Catamounts missed the shot, but grabbed the offensive rebound and had yet another chance to tie it. Unfortunately, it bounced off the back rim. One could argue that this was close as a #16 has ever been to advancing to the second round.

3. 1989 – (1) Oklahoma vs. (16) East Tennessee State

1989 was the year of the near upset. I already touched on Illinois’ six-point escape of McNeese State, and there was definitely more to come. The Sooners managed to edge East Tennessee State by one point in this contest, 72-71, despite Keith “Mister” Jennings going berserk for the upstart Buccaneers.

2. 1989 – (1) Georgetown vs. (16) Princeton

Yes. TWO 16 seeds were within a single basket of knocking off #1 seeds in 1989. Princeton actually held the ball during the final seconds in this one as well. They took two shots that could have won it, but Alonzo Mourning wouldn’t have it. He blocked both attempts by the Tigers, and Georgetown held on to win the game by the skin of their teeth.

1. 1990 – (1) Michigan State vs. (16) Murray State

I’ll break the suspense – Michigan State won by four. So, why is this No. 1 on my list? Because Michigan State had to go to overtime to make it happen. To this day, the 1990 Murray State Racers are the only #16 seed not to lose in regulation. The fat man competed with the body builder to the very end, and the judges needed extra time to make a decision. The Racers played one of the best games a huge underdog has ever played. I applaud them.

Wondering how the #1 seeds fared after their close escapes?

1985 – Michigan lost in the second round
1996 – Purdue lost in the second round
1989 – Oklahoma made the Sweet 16
1990 – Michigan State made the Sweet 16
1989 – Georgetown made the Elite Eight
1989 – Illinois made the Final Four
1997 – North Carolina made the Final Four
1986 – Duke reached the Finals, losing to Louisville
 
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