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Message: [QUOTE="freescooter, post: 4878852, member: 1023"] There is a big difference between being good at the same time we are good and being a rival. I mean Creighton? Someone actually voted for them? LOL! If that were the case we’d be rivals with Kentucky and Purdue. We probably have played them almost as many times as Creighton. I think rivalries need certain things including length of the series, close games, upsets , memorable games, controversial wins and losses. And something else which can vary. Xavier and Cincinnati and Duke-UNC can practically see each other’s campus from their own. Michigan and Ohio State it is about history and tradition. You can’t “make” a game a rivalry. When they joined the ACC, some marketing whiz thought BC and Clemson would be great rivals. LOL! Michigan State-Penn State is allegedly a huge rivalry. Though neither school is very invested in it. Williams-Amherst is one. Wesleyan is in the Little 3 but is definitely the 3rd wheel. The final element, and in many ways the critical one, is your fans need to care, regardless of whether one, both or neither team is good. If you can’t say losing to would ruin our season regardless of how we did otherwise. ain’t your rival. Nobody in the NEWBIE fits that standard. One last thing. A rivalry doesn’t stop because 1 team is good and 1 is bad. Nobody cares about Providence or St John’s or Creighton if they are bad. [/QUOTE]