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Message: [QUOTE="PhillyCoach, post: 4855029, member: 6136"] First, I know there is a plus/minus for value and playing time. Personally I have not delved into it deep enough to have a clear vision. I know there are some very astute posters who can lay it out in an "easy to understand' fashion. Anyway I just wanted to focus on a few stats that don't get the attention that scoring or rebounds get. To kill two birds with one stone I want to use Ash & KK as examples. Let me say upfront that IMHO (as many others have stated) BE FOY should be shared with these two outstanding first year players. Scoring and rebounding are two close stats - Ash - 11.3 pts and KK at 9.6 pts. Ash has 44 rebounds to 41 for KK. Stats that are talked about less -- Here are two stats where Ash excels-- Fouls and Turnovers. Ash has 21 total fouls and KK has 46. They both play tough D the entire game without letup. * Ash has 15 turnovers and KK has 35. (I know KK handles the ball more, but Ash turns over the ball less than once a game. For any player that is exceptional, for a frosh that is special. These two stats lose possessions and give foul shooting opportunities to the opponents. Two stats that are more valuable in some eyes (but secondary to scoring) are assists & steals. KK shows up on offense with 62 assists to 28 assists for Ash. Defensively KK has 46 steals to 11 for Ash. A significant difference. Which of those stats help more or hurt more? Don't know if someone can do a plus/minus evaluation on those statistics based on a season average. To be honest I was leaning toward Ash before I got all this info. Now I am hedging a little toward KK. All in all it is super close and I would still vote for a tie! [/QUOTE]

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