Wayne Selden

[3uconn]

Final 6 schools: UCLA, Florida, Ohio State, Syracuse, Kansas and Missouri ...in no specific order.

 

[Zionn]

the Tilton train has sailed.......

 

[Tenspro2002]

the Tilton train has sailed.......

I'm not sure that's a great loss for us.

 

[husky99]

I'm not sure that's a great loss for us.

Really? Kid is a stud... tilton has had some really talent the last few years

 

[caw]

Really? Kid is a stud... tilton has had some really talent the last few years

Selden is a huge talent, I agree. However, Tiltons recent talent hasn't lived up to the hype. That may change with Noel and selden though.

 

[mauconnfan]

Not sure about Selden but the 2 guys we had at Storrs from Tilton barely had any fundamental skills......not sure about the coaching there.

 

[johnhuskies95]

Not sure about Selden but the 2 guys we had at Storrs from Tilton barely had any fundamental skills......not sure about the coaching there.

Why don't you just come out and say that you hate everything about Alex Oriakhi?

 

[Burnsbros23]

I was wrong thought we had a chance.

 

[Dann]

i liked his vids, 2 bad we didn't make the list. no shots tho that's a impressive list accept for mizzu but we all know why they are on there. must be pretty cool for a recruit to have 5 top 15 schools all time on his final 6 list.

i'n not worried a all tho. i mean look at all the kids were in on and look at who we beat out for our 1st 2013 commit. jc/ko and crew even with the issues at hand are getting it done. the future is bright and just around the corner!

 

[mauconnfan]

Why don't you just come out and say that you hate everything about Alex Oriakhi?

Why would I say that johnhuskies95? Please explain.....I hate none.......I do watch enough basketball to know what I witnessed though. Did you think either he or Coombs were good fundamental basketball players? Neither played good defense or had good footwork and both came to Storrs with attitudes which ripped the team apart at one time or another......and you like what they brought to Storrs why??

Again, Selden may have been a very good player all around and just honed his skills there despite, but it's obvious to me if you need to learn the fundamentals at Tilton it may not happen!! Just saying..........

 

[HuskyFan32]

Why don't you just come out and say that you hate everything about Alex Oriakhi?

I hate everything about Alex Oriakhi.

 

[husky99]

That is very adult like

 

[johnhuskies95]

LOL. I'm sure you think that Oriakhi was solely responsible for both world wars also. You bash him every chance you get. Just give it up. He was the best player on the court in a freaking national championship game. It's time to move on.

Why would I say that johnhuskies95? Please explain.....I hate none.......I do watch enough basketball to know what I witnessed though. Did you think either he or Coombs were good fundamental basketball players? Neither played good defense or had good footwork and both came to Storrs with attitudes which ripped the team apart at one time or another......and you like what they brought to Storrs why??

Again, Selden may have been a very good player all around and just honed his skills there despite, but it's obvious to me if you need to learn the fundamentals at Tilton it may not happen!! Just saying..........

 

[mauconnfan]

LOL. I'm sure you think that Oriakhi was solely responsible for both world wars also. You bash him every chance you get. Just give it up. He was the best player on the court in a freaking national championship game. It's time to move on.

He was never the best player on the court so I'll move on when I feel it's time and when I quit seeing ridiculous posters who believe he was any good except for a run (important one) of 8 games or so......in the meantime answer the question.....were he or Coombs fundamentally sound? Your support for the coward is mind boggling at best from my end!!!!

 

[caw]

He was never the best player on the court so I'll move on when I feel it's time and when I quit seeing ridiculous posters who believe he was any good except for a run (important one) of 8 games or so......in the meantime answer the question.....were he or Coombs fundamentally sound? Your support for the coward is mind boggling at best from my end!!!!

Or the guy who just left PC: Gerald Coleman. Kid may have been the most athletic of the three but had zero fundamentals.

 

[Greg Brooks]

Why would I say that johnhuskies95? Please explain.....I hate none.......I do watch enough basketball to know what I witnessed though. Did you think either he or Coombs were good fundamental basketball players? Neither played good defense or had good footwork and both came to Storrs with attitudes which ripped the team apart at one time or another......and you like what they brought to Storrs why??

Again, Selden may have been a very good player all around and just honed his skills there despite, but it's obvious to me if you need to learn the fundamentals at Tilton it may not happen!! Just saying..........

 

[Greg Brooks]

He was never the best player on the court so I'll move on when I feel it's time and when I quit seeing ridiculous posters who believe he was any good except for a run (important one) of 8 games or so......in the meantime answer the question.....were he or Coombs fundamentally sound? Your support for the coward is mind boggling at best from my end!!!!

I'm with you man....the only thing AO improved in his three years at UConn was his ability to sulk and under achieve

 

[huskiesnyc]

The only thing AO improved in his 3 years was his whining and cowering. I have never seen a softer player especially one built like Dwight Howard!! He continues to take cheap shots at Calhoun and UConn and actively recruits against the program. If you don't think Oriakhi told Selden to stay away from uconn you're crazy. Coombs and AO both lacked character and any kind of physicality. They felt they were entitled to their "minutes" and didn't have the balls to compete and earn them! Instead they resorted to cheap shots on twitter, and in the end AO telling Coach to "get the duckk out of my face" during an NCAA tournament game. Well done. And lets stop over hyping AO's tourney performance in 11". Yes, that was the high point of his career, but he scored in double digits ONCE in six games. He was the 4th or 5th best player on that team

 

[Husky68]

Nah, can't hate on him. Calhoun needed to do a better job getting all the guys on the same page last year and try to get around the stone hands of Alex, complete lack of basketball IQ from Andre and the lack of size in the back court. There was no Kemba to get open shots for others, provide penetration for open looks and keep games from getting out of hand. Alex is a slow jumper, has a high base so others can get under him and push him out of the way and is pretty stiff in his movements. His individual skills at shooting and driving seemed to not improve or get worst last year and with his shortcomings physically was on his own with no Kemba to draw attention. I remember Josh Boone having a string of 20 point games with Nets when Jason Kidd was on the team feeding him for layups, when Jason left so did Josh's 20 point games. Similar thing re Alex was when Kemba left those opportunities left and he was on his own, which for him was not a good thing. Also, playing him along side Andre and making him a PF was a bad coaching move.
Alex gets the "jerk under 25" pass, not so much his ol' man. Wish I could take back some of the things I did before I got to be 30.

 

[mauconnfan]

Nah, can't hate on him. Calhoun needed to do a better job getting all the guys on the same page last year and try to get around the stone hands of Alex, complete lack of basketball IQ from Andre and the lack of size in the back court. There was no Kemba to get open shots for others, provide penetration for open looks and keep games from getting out of hand. Alex is a slow jumper, has a high base so others can get under him and push him out of the way and is pretty stiff in his movements. His individual skills at shooting and driving seemed to not improve or get worst last year and with his shortcomings physically was on his own with no Kemba to draw attention. I remember Josh Boone having a string of 20 point games with Nets when Jason Kidd was on the team feeding him for layups, when Jason left so did Josh's 20 point games. Similar thing re Alex was when Kemba left those opportunities left and he was on his own, which for him was not a good thing. Also, playing him along side Andre and making him a PF was a bad coaching move.
Alex gets the "jerk under 25" pass, not so much his ol' man. Wish I could take back some of the things I did before I got to be 30.

You make some real good points and I agree with most of it. (By the way Josh was a much better player lol) Andre certainly wasn't what we thought so that hurt overall but no matter, it should have HELPED Alex. No matter how bad Andre's bball IQ was, he was still someone for other teams to worry about just based on getting behind the defense. That actually should have left more space for AO to work in and it did.....but instead of getting better he continually went back to the "left handed throw" which we all became too acquainted with and nothing else. The 4/5 argument needs to be left under the mat. In the system last year he was in the same place on offense and defense where he was when they won a NC........not at all the staffs fault there......

But the reality is this thread started as a "Tilton ship has sailed..." and I and others made the point that the Tilton staff isn't all that impressive in preparation of their players for the next level regarding the fundamentals of the game. Others wanted to make it a "you hate Alex" thing when I specifically said Alex AND Coombs......and if anyone believes they were good or decent fundamentally then cable was out for 2-3 years in their region!!!

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Calhoun recruited Oriakhi from the Tilton "lack of fundamental school" as referred to here.

So ultimately if Alex did not have the skill set to develop why would Calhoun have wasted a ship on him? Was this a misjudgment on the part of JC? Is talent evaluating part of the recruiting process? Is developing a players skill set out of high school the sole responsibility of the player or does coaching also play a part in development? It seems reasonable to structure the blame around the high school coach several years after a player has departed to college. Right? Of course it does!! LOL

It seems like AO has enjoyed his summer in Europe with his new Missouri team (CBS blog entries by Pressey and Alex). Change is healthy. No different than going to a better job with good benefits. I think several here expect him and this Missouri team to fail miserably. After all Alex has no ability and Missouri just chokes every year. Right? It will be interesting to see if all the prognosticators here are correct when March rolls around regarding Missouri and AO. That at least gives the season meaning from a more tangible perspective.

 

[mauconnfan]

Calhoun recruited Oriakhi from the Tilton "lack of fundamental school" as referred to here.

So ultimately if Alex did not have the skill set to develop why would Calhoun have wasted a ship on him? Was this a misjudgment on the part of JC? Is talent evaluating part of the recruiting process? Is developing a players skill set out of high school the sole responsibility of the player or does coaching also play a part in development? It seems reasonable to structure the blame around the high school coach several years after a player has departed to college. Right? Of course it does!! LOL

It seems like AO has enjoyed his summer in Europe with his new Missouri team (CBS blog entries by Pressey and Alex). Change is healthy. No different than going to a better job with good benefits. I think several here expect him and this Missouri team to fail miserably. After all Alex has no ability and Missouri just chokes every year. Right? It will be interesting to see if all the prognosticators here are correct when March rolls around regarding Missouri and AO. That at least gives the season meaning from a more tangible perspective.

Coaches play a part no doubt, they work on things continuously off season because once the season starts it's time for hard work to be in the best of shape and plays, defenses multiple usually. Nowadays kids play 50-70 game s a summer and then when in college get to go to "Big Men's" camps and such........that's for the guys lucky enough to be on a team who has the impact to send them which UConn does........also the real good players are taught what to work on over the summer to get stronger in every aspect whether it be ball handling, hands, rebounding, jumping, back-to-the basket moves, shooting...name it time to man up and figure out how good you want to be by the time your 20 years old......right? Only a certain amount of hours allowed once you get to the big time and the good one's have already learned the game..........easy to blame the coaches but they give them the tools, the resources and the time to be able to push them into making themselves better...up to them.....not many have left UConn without being a lot better have they? LOL......

Oh but I should answer the first question and you are correct....JC did recruit these guys and obviously will not do too much more of that at 15 years old will he? That's on him no doubt.....

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Coaches play a part no doubt, they work on things continuously off season because once the season starts it's time for hard work to be in the best of shape and plays, defenses multiple usually. Nowadays kids play 50-70 game s a summer and then when in college get to go to "Big Men's" camps and such........that's for the guys lucky enough to be on a team who has the impact to send them which UConn does........also the real good players are taught what to work on over the summer to get stronger in every aspect whether it be ball handling, hands, rebounding, jumping, back-to-the basket moves, shooting...name it time to man up and figure out how good you want to be by the time your 20 years old......right? Only a certain amount of hours allowed once you get to the big time and the good one's have already learned the game..........easy to blame the coaches but they give them the tools, the resources and the time to be able to push them into making themselves better...up to them.....not many have left UConn without being a lot better have they? LOL......

Oh but I should answer the first question and you are correct....JC did recruit these guys and obviously will not do too much more of that at 15 years old will he? That's on him no doubt.....

You did a pretty good job trying to defend your position making the counter arguement. Maybe I will respond again later when I have the time. It is an interesting subject. I do agree AO could have done more and he should take some responsibility (no doubt). There is fault on all fronts though. It is best for both sides in the long run looking at it objectively without bias.

 

[caw]

I'm not sure what this really has to do with Oriakhi as a junior at UConn, let alone a sophomore, him leaving or his current play at Missouri.

The initial statement was that "Not sure about Selden but the 2 guys we had at Storrs from Tilton barely had any fundamental skills......not sure about the coaching there."

Looking at Oriakhi's, Coleman's and Jamal Coombs-McDaniel's freshman years, it's pretty clear all three lacked fundamental skills.

I found this to be a condemnation of the Tilton coaching staff moreso than any pettiness toward Oriakhi, Jamal Coombs-McDaniel leaving.

Even looking at Noel, there have been plenty around the country saying how poor his offensive game is, and how it hasn't really gotten better over the years. We shall see when he suits up for UK.

Selden/Noel may or may not fit into the mold, but the three everyone has seen in college were all disappointing as freshmen.