Vaccines

[UConnSwag11]

A good way to avoid this is to just get the shot.

And still get and transmit covid

 

[HuskyHawk]

Omicron is punching all sorts of holes in the "get the shot and you are good to go" practice. Plenty of these cases are vaccinated, or vaccinated and boosted, or vaccinated and had covid once already.

If I was going to a large gathering indoors I wouldn't feel any safer or more in danger because person next to me had a vaccine card. There's a reason why your vaccine card does you no good trying to travel internationally.

Holes as big as a bus. From a transmission perspective there is data suggesting that the mRNA vaccines actually increase Omicron transmission. the most vaccinated countries, Iceland, Israel, Denmark, showing the highest spread rates. Likewise the same in the US by state. It’s plausible that it evolved precisely to defeat those vaccines. But they still help with outcomes. As far as being meaningful for venues….that was long ago rendered pointless even with Delta.

Testing won’t help much either, but is better. I was exposed on a Friday, negative on Sunday, positive on Tuesday. We know that even the original version was spread most easily in those pre-sympmatic periods. My go to researcher Muge Cevik says Omicron is even more front end loaded. So, yeah. These measures are lipstick on a pig at best. If you don’t want to be exposed, don’t go. Otherwise, yes, you probably will be.

I think we are all getting this. No avoiding it.

 

[uconn_jack]

If I was going to a large gathering indoors I wouldn't feel any safer or more in danger because person next to me had a vaccine card. There's a reason why your vaccine card does you no good trying to travel internationally.

Nor would I with masked people. The only thing that makes me feel safer is the fact that I have been vaxxed. Restrictions, mandates, etc. are all pretty much useless now (many of which weren't effective before either). Protecting one's self is the only solution.

 

[temery]

Massachusetts schools turning to COVID-sniffing K9s

Move over PCR tests, dogs are now trained to sniff out COVID in schools.

www.bostonherald.com

 

[Chin Diesel]

Nor would I with masked people. The only thing that makes me feel safer is the fact that I have been vaxxed. Restrictions, mandates, etc. are all pretty much useless now (many of which weren't effective before either). Protecting one's self is the only solution.

25k breakthough cases in CT in past two weeks. Overall breakthough is around 3%. About 1/3 of hospitalized patients are "fully vaccinated".

If you are vaxx'd you'll probably have mild symptoms. No biggie. You almost need to self-impose a quarantine for a few days after going to one of these indoor events nowadays to make sure you made it through clean.

Know your risks, accept your choices.

Connecticut COVID breakthrough cases climb amid surge

As infections continue to climb, 121 Connecticut residents died with COVID in the past...

www.ctinsider.com

 

[Yardigan]

Holes as big as a bus. From a transmission perspective there is data suggesting that the mRNA vaccines actually increase Omicron transmission. the most vaccinated countries, Iceland, Israel, Denmark, showing the highest spread rates. Likewise the same in the US by state. It’s plausible that it evolved precisely to defeat those vaccines. But they still help with outcomes. As far as being meaningful for venues….that was long ago rendered pointless even with Delta.

Testing won’t help much either, but is better. I was exposed on a Friday, negative on Sunday, positive on Tuesday. We know that even the original version was spread most easily in those pre-sympmatic periods. My go to researcher Muge Cevik says Omicron is even more front end loaded. So, yeah. These measures are lipstick on a pig at best. If you don’t want to be exposed, don’t go. Otherwise, yes, you probably will be.

I think we are all getting this. No avoiding it.

It almost seems possible...with the delays in testing (at least here in RI)...you could test on Monday, "catch it" later on Monday and be 'over it' before you get your negative results back.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It almost seems possible...with the delays in testing (at least here in RI)...you could test on Monday, "catch it" later on Monday and be 'over it' before you get your negative results back.

My daughter came home on Friday, was sick next day. Tested positive. Wife and I tested Sunday. Negative. Monday got my booster. Felt sick that night and very sick Tuesday. Called Dr. Got PCR test Tuesday afternoon. Very sick until Thursday night/ Fri morning, fever seemed to break, got results 9:30 PM Thurs - positive. So yeah. It’s possible. For me the booster confused things, wasn’t sure if symptoms were from the booster.

Now for possible good news. USA is 1-3 weeks behind Denmark. Northeast ahead of most of the country in case rate. So cases should start dropping soon.

Denmark health chief says Omicron is bringing the END of the pandemic

Tyra Grove Krause - the chief epidemiologist at Denmark's State Serum Institute - said that a new study found that the risk of hospitalisation from Omicron is half that seen with the Delta variant.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ClifSpliffy]

Massachusetts schools turning to COVID-sniffing K9s

Move over PCR tests, dogs are now trained to sniff out COVID in schools.

www.bostonherald.com

i believe that i mentioned this in summer 2020.
let's call them 'sniffer cells.' we have around 5 million, dogs have around 300 million. the base of each of their nostrils has a little flap, which often can be observed, one at a time, opening and closing as they try to determine what it is, and where it comes from. people who live in different environs can have dramatically different scent-ability, with big city urban dwellers having the least ability since their scent environment is too overwhelming to distinguish. watch nyc apartment dogs when they're walking around outside in the street. it's almost like they've given up that normal routine.
signed 'still looking for research work on my 4 time burnt nostril syndrome, coinciding with an emergence of a new variant, and aboot 3 or 4 weeks before it makes the news.'
the Hungarians now have trained dogs with 1500 word recognition ability.

 

[temery]

25k breakthough cases in CT in past two weeks. Overall breakthough is around 3%. About 1/3 of hospitalized patients are "fully vaccinated".

If you are vaxx'd you'll probably have mild symptoms. No biggie. You almost need to self-impose a quarantine for a few days after going to one of these indoor events nowadays to make sure you made it through clean.

Know your risks, accept your choices.

Connecticut COVID breakthrough cases climb amid surge

As infections continue to climb, 121 Connecticut residents died with COVID in the past...

www.ctinsider.com

So 2/3rds of hospitalized patients are unvaccinated. Interesting.

 

[temery]

And still get and transmit covid

And not die. That's kind of a big one.

 

[UConnSwag11]

And not die. That's kind of a big one.

So then it’s a therapeutic. Not a vaccine

 

[Scoe]

And not die. That's kind of a big one.

Exactly which should be talked about more it doesn’t stop the spread.

 

[pepband99]

So then it’s a therapeutic. Not a vaccine

...same as the flu vaccine. Vaccine hits the high spots, but may not get everything for everyone.

The "whataboutisims" are so tiring.

 

[temery]

Exactly which should be talked about more it doesn’t stop the spread.

Less likely to spread. Less likely to die. Less likely to be hospitalized. Less likely to be seriously Ill.

 

[temery]

Early Data Hints at Omicron’s Potential Toll Across America (Published 2022)

In the cities that were among the first to experience rapid rises in Covid cases due to Omicron, serious outcomes including I.C.U. stays and deaths are following case curves upward.

www.nytimes.com

 

[shizzle787]

So 2/3rds of hospitalized patients are unvaccinated. Interesting.

It was 95% a couple months ago before omicron. Interesting.

 

[temery]

It was 95% a couple months ago before omicron. Interesting.

Vaccines

A good way to avoid this is to just get the shot. And still get and transmit covid

the-boneyard.com

 

[HuskyHawk]

It was 95% a couple months ago before omicron. Interesting.

Not in Massachusetts. Has been about 1/3 for several months now, including pre Omicron. But with a high vaccination rate that still shows very disproportionately the unvaccinated.

 

[temery]

Not in Massachusetts. Has been about 1/3 for several months now, including pre Omicron. But with a high vaccination rate that still shows very disproportionately the unvaccinated.

Link?

 

[HuskyHawk]

Link?

I read the Herald every day and they report the state numbers daily. Here is an example from October 26th. It was pretty consistently about a third all fall. Note (as I said before), given the very high vaccination rate in MA (over 90% of people over 12), this still shows that the vaccines are protective against hospitalization.

"Breakthrough hospitalizations have been accounting for 30% to 35% of current COVID-19 hospitalizations. Those who are unvaccinated are at a much higher risk for a severe case and hospitalization."

Massachusetts coronavirus breakthrough cases up 3,078, the lowest weekly count in months

More than 3,000 fully vaccinated people across the state tested positive for the coronavirus last week, a daily average of about 440 people as the rate of breakthrough infections dropped to the low…

www.bostonherald.com

 

[temery]

I read the Herald every day and they report the state numbers daily. Here is an example from October 26th. It was pretty consistently about a third all fall. Note (as I said before), given the very high vaccination rate in MA (over 90% of people over 12), this still shows that the vaccines are protective against hospitalization.

"Breakthrough hospitalizations have been accounting for 30% to 35% of current COVID-19 hospitalizations. Those who are unvaccinated are at a much higher risk for a severe case and hospitalization."

Massachusetts coronavirus breakthrough cases up 3,078, the lowest weekly count in months

More than 3,000 fully vaccinated people across the state tested positive for the coronavirus last week, a daily average of about 440 people as the rate of breakthrough infections dropped to the low…

www.bostonherald.com

Breakthrough case review finds 97% of COVID-19 cases in vaccinated individuals don't result in severe illness

www.mass.gov

 

[BlueandOG]

soon, the indulgent constant fear of everything boomers, will depart the scene, sadly leaving behind a generation of youth who've been wholey cheated out of their future. the real pandemic. the other one?
7,500,000,000 folks on the planet, 6,000,000 deceased. period. more to come? of course, but still quite minimal according to historical knowledge.
don't look now, but word is leaking out. homies gettin done with constant boomer freakout. mebbe by the next century this wisdom will reach ny and la. 'don't walk on the wet sand!'
all the other details, all, have been layed out here long ago. as in january 2020 long ago. while many of youse were only thinking 'peachment,' for a now highly discredited and nonsensical (jail time!) foolish boomer fearfest.
the only meaningful wisdom found here, or many places for that matter, is el jefe's early thoughts on vitamin d, which is now part of the screening profile for hospital admissions with the wuhan flu. when i started here, my preoccupation with the chinese threat was 'quaint.' in the heartbeat of just a few years, the people of the first world got woke, and now distaste and lack of trust for all things ccp polls in the overwhelming majority. that was quick.
hey management! 'member when you asked 'what are hk'ers?' now, there is no 'hk' anymore.
this round of the bug, as it expectedly devolves into the common cold, is concentrated in the naso-pharyngeal region as that area is the least effective (for good reasons) for intruder defense. we were at a party last week, aboot 15 or so people mostly 20s to 40s, and the next day i woke up with a sore throat (i had the burning nostril thing aboot 5 weeks earlier - a fascinating subject, along with the still undiscussed obvious wave of dental extractions that began in fall 2019. good luck with finding that actual data. must be a 'state secret' or sumthing). i stopped by the next day to visit the hosts and remark 'hey! i got the sore throat! one or more of the guests are swimming in the bug!' followed up by me saying the usual, 'whatever.' yesterday, i heard that 3 have already tested positive since then. duh.
now, we'll spend a very long time trying to instill normal hopes and expectations for our youth. i blame the boomers. youse screwed up, bigtime. (also a subject covered long ago here, like .......)
where's ur youth death data, hmmmmm?
seems like youth suicide, from depression, has exploded. sad. very sad.
a very wise man said long ago, 'it's like the flu, on steroids.' yup.
gesundheit!

You have a lot on your mind.

 

[BlueandOG]

I wonder what public reaction was to getting the polio vaccine? Serious question.

Interesting question. My uncle (67 years old) got polio when he was a boy. The muscles in his left leg atrophied and he has been paralyzed his whole life. He is an amazing person - chess master, medaled in the 1968 Paralympics representing the USA, earned an MBA from Harvard. However, I wonder how his life would have been different if he had received the polio vaccine.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

You have a lot on your mind.

'now, we'll spend a very long time trying to instill normal hopes and expectations for our youth. i blame the boomers. youse screwed up, bigtime.'
Chicago's youth is ruined. that's gonna leave a mark.

don't walk on the wet sand!
wear gloves in the supermarket!
the shot will prevent you from either getting or transmitting the bug!
put plexiglass dividers on every school desk, cuz a sneeze/cough only can go sideways, never up and over!

me? still eating unwashed fresh broccoli and cauliflower. tasty.
me, two years ago? everrbuddy gonna be exposed to it, deal with it.
gesundheit!

saw bambi the other day sneezing up a storm. vax 'em!

 

[BlueandOG]

We’re a private special Ed school with a residential component so it’s a very unique situation. I’m a director but completely powerless to the CEO who just wants to make sure districts keep paying tuition, and many will discharge rather than pay tens of thousands of dollars for kids to (or more like not to) log in to zoom.

We had 11 staff test positive the week before break. Almost all of our students require one to one support. When I brought up how we couldn’t even staff the building the executives solution was to just cancel related service and have OTs and SLPs be one to ones.

The next month is going to be very very ugly.
Oh and my wife is a nurse and her hospital’s new policy is “if you test positive but still feel well enough to work wear an n95.”

I implore any of the people saying this isn’t a big deal to walk a mile in either of our shoes.

Hey now! Thank you! I work closely with a special education school similar to yours in Massachusetts. I know first hand how hard you work to support very needy students. Three cheers for Dream Jobbed 2.0 and colleagues!