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USC hires Lindsay Gottlieb

eebmg said:
More details. Bit surprised. Seemed to be well respected in Cleveland

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Lindsay Gottlieb returning to women's college basketball, hired as USC head coach after stint as Cleveland Cavaliers assistant

Cleveland Cavaliers assistant Lindsay Gottlieb has been hired as the women's head coach at USC.
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The press release indicated that Gottlieb was lured from the Cavaliers with a significant upgrade in salary and a 6 year deal.

I wonder if she is over the million dollar mark now? After Coach Barnes was upgraded to a million per year I wonder if the cheapskates at ASU are giving any thought to reworking Coach Turner Thorne's salary.
 
Leaving the Association. Interesting!

"Massive upgrade in program salary and resources."
 
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I want to see the official announcement, the annual salary and the years on it as after it expires, they will be looking once again. Look at her record, her success was done with Joanne Boyle’s recruits. I know she has a good relationship with Geno and says all the right things, promotes the game but simply really can’t lead a team to consistent elite performances. Sue Samrau would have been a better hire.

To me, any “off the court NBA roles” are complete unknowns as to how effective that person really is. Like I said, Lyndsey did a great job with all the off the court stuff at Cal, her actual coaching left a lot to be desired, I don’t know what has changed in 2 years to think she will be better.
 
Vowelguy said:
Interesting. I know some people on this board were not impressed with her performance at Cal. And the Bears certainly trailed off towards the end.
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I think she got out of Berkeley while the getting was good, for sure. I never wanted to tear down the "great achievement for women" narrative around her move to the NBA, but I often wondered why she was on their radar because I didn't think she was a great coach at Cal.
 
DefenseBB said:
I want to see the official announcement, the annual salary and the years on it as after it expires, they will be looking once again. Look at her record, her success was done with Joanne Boyle’s recruits. I know she has a good relationship with Geno and says all the right things, promotes the game but simply really can’t lead a team to consistent elite performances. Sue Samrau would have been a better hire.

To me, any “off the court NBA roles” are complete unknowns as to how effective that person really is. Like I said, Lyndsey did a great job with all the off the court stuff at Cal, her actual coaching left a lot to be desired, I don’t know what has changed in 2 years to think she will be better.
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You are spot on with all of your points. Anyone who follows the Pac-12 is laughing at this hire choice.
 
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DefenseBB said:
I want to see the official announcement, the annual salary and the years on it as after it expires, they will be looking once again. Look at her record, her success was done with Joanne Boyle’s recruits. I know she has a good relationship with Geno and says all the right things, promotes the game but simply really can’t lead a team to consistent elite performances. Sue Samrau would have been a better hire.

To me, any “off the court NBA roles” are complete unknowns as to how effective that person really is. Like I said, Lyndsey did a great job with all the off the court stuff at Cal, her actual coaching left a lot to be desired, I don’t know what has changed in 2 years to think she will be better.
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Since USC is a private school, I doubt they'll release her salary . . .
 
azfan said:
The press release indicated that Gottlieb was lured from the Cavaliers with a significant upgrade in salary and a 6 year deal.

I wonder if she is over the million dollar mark now? After Coach Barnes was upgraded to a million per year I wonder if the cheapskates at ASU are giving any thought to reworking Coach Turner Thorne's salary.
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ASU missed the NCAA tourney this season, right? I doubt CTT will be getting a raise. If anything, she better be looking for her next job before things get too hot for her. In a significantly less amount of time, Adia has already taken UofA to the national championship game, while ASU has one Eite 8 appearance under CTT, I believe.
 
southie said:
ASU missed the NCAA tourney this season, right? I doubt CTT will be getting a raise. If anything, she better be looking for her next job before things get too hot for her. In a significantly less amount of time, Adia has already taken UofA to the national championship game, while ASU has one Eite 8 appearance under CTT, I believe.
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I think she's got some grace period. She's gotta be second among active coaches in career Pac 12 wins behind Tara by miles. If last year turns into a trend that lasts several years, maybe then her seat will start to get warm. But she's been quite successful there for a long time.

Yeah, their rival down the road exploding onto the scene lately probably is a cause of much consternation among ASU fans.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I think she's got some grace period. She's gotta be second among active coaches in career Pac 12 wins behind Tara by miles. If last year turns into a trend that lasts several years, maybe then her seat will start to get warm. But she's been quite successful there for a long time.

Yeah, their rival down the road exploding onto the scene lately probably is a cause of much consternation among ASU fans.
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I doubt the A.D. waits "several years" of a downward trend. Obviously, a lot depends on the terms of her contract (and the buyout), but another season of missing the NCAA tournament ends up being two in a row . . .
 
southie said:
I doubt the A.D. waits "several years" of a downward trend. Obviously, a lot depends on the terms of her contract (and the buyout), but another season of missing the NCAA tournament ends up being two in a row . . .
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I don't know how big of a priority wbb is. ASU mens hoops has gone thru quite a few coaches. Often what they get is about the same, or worse, than what they had before. Hurley was an "exciting" hire but from my viewpoint not really any different/better than Herbie.

Anyway, point is ASU could do much worse than CTT. Not sure how much better they would be able to lure there. As far as trends, looking at her record looks like they've dipped a bit ever since the '15-'16 season. Since then it's been just over .500 in conference and middle of the pack finishes (until this year).
 
southie said:
ASU missed the NCAA tourney this season, right? I doubt CTT will be getting a raise. If anything, she better be looking for her next job before things get too hot for her. In a significantly less amount of time, Adia has already taken UofA to the national championship game, while ASU has one Eite 8 appearance under CTT, I believe.
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CTT has no need to be worried about her career as she is the most successful coach in ASU history.

Elite 8 2007, 2009
16 20+ win seasons
31 wins 2007
29 wins 2015
19-14 record in the big dance
504 career victories
.621 winning per cent
2016 Pac coach of the year
 
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azfan said:
The press release indicated that Gottlieb was lured from the Cavaliers with a significant upgrade in salary and a 6 year deal.

I wonder if she is over the million dollar mark now? After Coach Barnes was upgraded to a million per year I wonder if the cheapskates at ASU are giving any thought to reworking Coach Turner Thorne's salary.
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USC and UCLA are the only two "major" Division 1 schools in So. Cal. USC not a coveted destination for elite talented players coming out of high school. They've been mediocre for years. Hard to recruit top rated players there. UCLA has a direct pipeline to Winward and Harvard Westlake high schools that produce a lot of very talented players (Jordin Canada - Seattle Storm/KiKi Iriafen - Stanford).

USC has not been attractive to local top ranked players for years. USC is a football school. After a long and exhaustive search, Gottlieb was probably the best they could do. :( Gottlieb has got a tough job on her hands. Job 1 is recruiting. She needs some height on her roster. [USC roster] They are the local team for me. I'll follow them (at a distance) just to see how they do over the next 3-4 years. I'm not very optimistic. I doubt they make the NCAA tournament the next 4 years. The Pac12 is tough, and getting tougher.
 
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nwhoopfan said:
I don't know how big of a priority wbb is. ASU mens hoops has gone thru quite a few coaches. Often what they get is about the same, or worse, than what they had before. Hurley was an "exciting" hire but from my viewpoint not really any different/better than Herbie.

Anyway, point is ASU could do much worse than CTT. Not sure how much better they would be able to lure there. As far as trends, looking at her record looks like they've dipped a bit ever since the '15-'16 season. Since then it's been just over .500 in conference and middle of the pack finishes (until this year).
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I don't think CTT is likely going anywhere. That said, here record is "ok". What happened is that a lot of teams got good and ASU to date hasn't responded by getting better. Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA and Arizona have all had "flashes" during a time where ASU has just "been".
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
I don't think CTT is likely going anywhere. That said, here record is "ok". What happened is that a lot of teams got good and ASU to date hasn't responded by getting better. Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA and Arizona have all had "flashes" during a time where ASU has just "been".
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I like CTT. I think she is a great defensive coach. I just wonder if she will ever become an offensive force with the way she subs and if that affects her ability to recruit on the level of the top Pac-12 teams. Do top kids want to play that hockey line format?

She has 2 EE and has been to the tournament 14 times. She's secure in Tempe. But she's not going to be a $1M coach unless she can bust through to a FF, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

As a lifelong Arizona fan it pains me to say so, but there's a time not long ago that I would have killed for CTT to be our coach.
 
azfan said:
CTT has no need to be worried about her career as she is the most successful coach in ASU history.

Elite 8 2007, 2009
16 20+ win seasons
31 wins 2007
29 wins 2015
19-14 record in the big dance
504 career victories
.621 winning per cent
2016 Pac coach of the year
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Yeah, no reason to worry about your job when your two best seasons (Elite 8 appearances) were 12-14 years ago, and your in-state rival is on the rise . . . :rolleyes:
 
Carnac said:
USC and UCLA are the only two "major" Division 1 schools in So. Cal. USC not a coveted destination for elite talented players coming out of high school. They've been mediocre for years. Hard to recruit top rated players there. UCLA has a direct pipeline to Winward and Harvard Westlake high schools that produce a lot of very talented players (Jordin Canada - Seattle Storm/KiKi Iriafen - Stanford).

USC has not been attractive to local top ranked players for years. USC is a football school. After a long and exhaustive search, Gottlieb was probably the best they could do. :( Gottlieb has got a tough job on her hands. Job 1 is recruiting. She needs some height on her roster. [USC roster] They are the local team for me. I'll follow them (at a distance) just to see how they do over the next 3-4 years. I'm not very optimistic. I doubt they make the NCAA tournament the next 4 years. The Pac12 is tough, and getting tougher.
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Simon and Jaco both came out of Windward HS, to go to USC. Both were at Windward when Canada was there. Not sure if Jaco was ranked high but I think Simon was.
Mater Dei sent Vaoiletama, Alofatulli(spelling on both names?) and Jordin Adams to USC. Vaoiletama and Adams were highly ranked. Cassie Harberts was a UConn recruit that Geno and CD were recruiting(house visit) and she went to USC. I believe she was ranked #11

I think Gottlieb will do fine. She might be the best USC can do.
 
ochoopsfan said:
Simon and Jaco both came out of Windward HS, to go to USC. Both were at Windward when Canada was there. Not sure if Jaco was ranked high but I think Simon was.
Mater Dei sent Vaoiletama, Alofatulli(spelling on both names?) and Jordin Adams to USC. Vaoiletama and Adams were highly ranked. Cassie Harberts was a UConn recruit that Geno and CD were recruiting(house visit) and she went to USC. I believe she was ranked #11

I think Gottlieb will do fine. She might be the best USC can do.
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Define what "fine" means in the "Gottlieb will do fine" statement. Is it top 6 regularly starting in 2 years (which by the way USC had a top class coming in, not sure if they are all going to stay), is .500 record in conference or better regularly? Is it beating WSU, UW, Utah, Cal and Colorado to eek out 8th place?

To me, seems USC finally paid a going rate on coaching so they should and could have done better like Sue Samrau. But hey, I like watching car crashes (as long as I am NOT IN that car!) so I will be on the sideline....
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DefenseBB said:
Define what "fine" means in the "Gottlieb will do fine" statement. Is it top 6 regularly starting in 2 years (which by the way USC had a top class coming in, not sure if they are all going to stay), is .500 record in conference or better regularly? Is it beating WSU, UW, Utah, Cal and Colorado to eek out 8th place?

To me, seems USC finally paid a going rate on coaching so they should and could have done better like Sue Samrau. But hey, I like watching car crashes (as long as I am NOT IN that car!) so I will be on the sideline....
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"Fine" is that all of the 250 regular fans who attend the games will still remain. The Alumni that I sat with over the years hated M. Cooper and demanded CCD, to the USC AD office. They got CCD, a one and out NCAA bid loss to St Johns and then hell for the remainder of her contract. Nobody wanted the job at USC and thus they brought back Trakh. I had no problem with Gottlieb at Cal, and think USC will make the tournament a few time during her tenure.
 
ochoopsfan said:
"Fine" is that all of the 250 regular fans who attend the games will still remain. The Alumni that I sat with over the years hated M. Cooper and demanded CCD, to the USC AD office. They got CCD, a one and out NCAA bid loss to St Johns and then hell for the remainder of her contract. Nobody wanted the job at USC and thus they brought back Trakh. I had no problem with Gottlieb at Cal, and think USC will make the tournament a few time during her tenure.
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Sure she will make the tournament a few times in her tenure- the pac 12 tournament that is.
 
Not sure what the AD is thinking. I agree with most posters here. Good coach, not elite and will never win the Natty in my opinion, but USC can go on with their bad selves!!
 
Urshurak said:
Not sure what the AD is thinking. I agree with most posters here. Good coach, not elite and will never win the Natty in my opinion, but USC can go on with their bad selves!!
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Honestly, I'd agree with some of the critique of Gottlieb, but on some level, I wonder how her ability to recruit was hampered by being at Berkley. In theory, at USC, the pool of recruits should be larger and she can go after some recruits she might not have been able to get at Cal. For all her faults, she still has more or the same number of Final Fours than Cori Close, Sue Semaru, Kelly Graves, Lisa Bluder, Bill Fennelly, McGuff, and plenty of other coaches. It really takes a special coach and some luck to get to the Final Four.
 
Lorcan said:
Honestly, I'd agree with some of the critique of Gottlieb, but on some level, I wonder how her ability to recruit was hampered by being at Berkley. In theory, at USC, the pool of recruits should be larger and she can go after some recruits she might not have been able to get at Cal. For all her faults, she still has more or the same number of Final Fours than Cori Close, Sue Semaru, Kelly Graves, Lisa Bluder, Bill Fennelly, McGuff, and plenty of other coaches. It really takes a special coach and some luck to get to the Final Four.
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You're 100% right. I honestly don't know a lot about her, but I always liked her and I know Geno does. I only started paying attention to her and the program when UConn had the two games (home and away) those two years. During the last one, she had a Q&A session with Geno and the Cal men's coach. I really enjoyed that.

You may be right, if she can get some traction in recruiting for USC, she can get them in the running. Probably take a while though.
 
I don't think recruiting has been difficult for him. Trakh signed the No. 7 class this year. The year before, they had at least one McDAA. Her bigger problems are the transfers and injuries. Those have been devastating for a few years
 
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