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This is just beyond sketchy. UNC hires outside people to evaluate...what, exactly? Getting to that, but they came to the conclusion that the athletes were testing at or above college level? After a reading specialist uses data from a different UNC-hired psychologist (who they've since fired...) to suggest their reading levels are primary school level? And the big kicker is: according to Willingham, they didn't even use the original raw scores to come to their conclusion. Anyone who has performed any kind of diagnostic screen or evaluation knows that interpreting data starts with the raw scores. You have literally nothing without them. What they did was unethical at best. It's a disgrace that two of these outside hires came from excellent academic institutions with great reputations in the realm of research. They also didn't analyse the validity of the test battery. This is basic level here: it's taking a raw score, converting it to a standard score, and comparing it to the mean. And it's not like there's a two- or three-grade-equivalency discrepancy between reports, which are the kind of scores that are not the most reliable. They're making an incredibly large distinction here, for a bunch of kids who needed special consideration for admission, and were receiving reading screenings in the first place, which is kind of sketchy in and of itself.
 
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This is just beyond sketchy. UNC hires outside people to evaluate...what, exactly? Getting to that, but they came to the conclusion that the athletes were testing at or above college level? After a reading specialist uses data from a different UNC-hired psychologist (who they've since fired...) to suggest their reading levels are primary school level? And the big kicker is: according to Willingham, they didn't even use the original raw scores to come to their conclusion. Anyone who has performed any kind of diagnostic screen or evaluation knows that interpreting data starts with the raw scores. You have literally nothing without them. What they did was unethical at best. It's a disgrace that two of these outside hires came from excellent academic institutions with great reputations in the realm of research. They also didn't analyse the validity of the test battery. This is basic level here: it's taking a raw score, converting it to a standard score, and comparing it to the mean. And it's not like there's a two- or three-grade-equivalency discrepancy between reports, which are the kind of scores that are not the most reliable. They're making an incredibly large distinction here, for a bunch of kids who needed special consideration for admission, and were receiving reading screenings in the first place, which is kind of sketchy in and of itself.

Don't jump to conclusions. The article was an absolute mess to begin with. Just because students need help getting into an institution with high admission standards like UNC doesn't mean they are not performing at college level. These kids could be perfectly suited for UNC-Wilmington, and that is indeed college level. They are perhaps not suited for UNC-CH, but the outside evaluator isn't there to determine UNC's admission standards. They are simply there to determine if the kids belong in a 4 year college, any college. The writer didn't seem to understand that.

We also don't know anything about the adviser's research, her raw scores, etc. It's not simply the way you evaluate raw data, but it's also important to collect it.

All of this seems like a huge distraction to me away from the real issue, which is over a decade of phony classes and phony grades.
 
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First-off, the handling of this whistleblower by UNC is truly reprehensible.. The fact that the University thinks they will discredit this individual & this issue will go away speaks volumes about the general cockiness that exists within the leadership. This issue is just not going to go away.

The NCAA could have nipped this in the bud, but they would never go after a program that carries the political clout of a North Carolina… Now, the timing of this couldn't be worse for Emmert & company & these jacka$$es deserve everything they're going to get.

The lesser import placed on the degrees associated with the North Carolina "Student Athletes" plays right into these guys being nothing more than unpaid athletes for hire who keep the NCAA college sports money machine churning. Wait a minute, they do get that scholarship that can lead to a degree devoid of any real value (see online fake courses).

The fact that UNC not only offered, but steered their athletes to these classes seems to drive home the point that these "student athletes" are brought in for the sole purpose of their athletic value to the University with little concern about their academic experience, other than making sure they stay eligible to play in their associated sport. Stack on the fact that the NCAA chose to ignore these transgressions makes them a compliant partner.

The lawyers that will fight for the unionization of these student athlete's will no doubt be all over this UNC scandal & the handling of it by both UNC & the NCAA to drive home their point that many of these student athletes are nothing more than un-paid professionals brought in to stock the NCAA athletic programs that help keep the money rolling in for everyone except the athletes themselves.

UNC, Emmert & the rest of these NCAA stooges deserve everything they're going to get & then some...
 
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I used to think UNC was a very good school, their reputation is now totally shot as far as I'm concerned. Trying to discredit and destroy the character of the whistleblower is repugnant, the cover-up is always worse than the crime.
 
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I watched Schooled on Netflix last night. UNC came across so bad.
 

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There are two national championships that could be legitimately stripped away. They aren't going to go quietly here.
 

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Wheres their independent ncaa investigation? Im sick of taking the high road while all these other universities get off scott free. You guys know what kind of uphill battle we had after some bullshit retroactive regulation that had no berrance on how well our kids were doing in school. look at miami look at what kentucky is doing look at what unc allegedly did...wheres their post season ban? F$!k the ncaa.
 

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All of this seems like a huge distraction to me away from the real issue, which is over a decade of phony classes and phony grades.

That is UNC's current PR tactic.
 

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I used to think UNC was a very good school, their reputation is now totally shot as far as I'm concerned. Trying to discredit and destroy the character of the whistleblower is repugnant, the cover-up is always worse than the crime.

That's pretty much de rigueur in all levels of society right now.
 
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Wheres their independent ncaa investigation? Im sick of taking the high road while all these other universities get off scott free. You guys know what kind of uphill battle we had after some bull retroactive regulation that had no berrance on how well our kids were doing in school. look at miami look at what kentucky is doing look at what unc allegedly did...wheres their post season ban? F$!k the ncaa.
Emmert should be fried.
 

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Don't jump to conclusions. The article was an absolute mess to begin with. Just because students need help getting into an institution with high admission standards like UNC doesn't mean they are not performing at college level. These kids could be perfectly suited for UNC-Wilmington, and that is indeed college level. They are perhaps not suited for UNC-CH, but the outside evaluator isn't there to determine UNC's admission standards. They are simply there to determine if the kids belong in a 4 year college, any college. The writer didn't seem to understand that.
The point with your first paragraph is the more-than-stark contrast between the conclusions. Regardless of the university, I don't need to explain the difference between at or ABOVE said reading level and that of elementary school is astronomical.
We also don't know anything about the adviser's research, her raw scores, etc. It's not simply the way you evaluate raw data, but it's also important to collect it.
This is half my point. According to Willingham and the article, no meta analysis was performed. They didn't evaluate data in several ways: as you mention, not just the scores and tests themselves, but how the raw scores were gathered. The protocols and raw scores are things UNC, considering they performed the initial screening themselves, should have access to. Why they chose to skip it all, especially in a larger campaign to smear Willingham's credibility, is very questionable. I imagine if there was something in the data to point out, they'd be doing all they could to find something. They never even tried in this case.

All of this seems like a huge distraction to me away from the real issue, which is over a decade of phony classes and phony grades.

Of course
 
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