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Message: [QUOTE="kibblesnbits, post: 4746307, member: 97"] STEM versus Chaucer is not the difference - at least outside the small, premier liberal arts schools. The elite universities recognized that challenge 20 years ago. It wasn’t a coincidence that in the late 200x decade Harvard and Yale upgraded their engineering “faculties” (in other words, they weren’t full schools or colleges within the university but smaller sub-units) to full college status (I.e. the College of Engineering) within 6 months of each other. They now have higher STEM (engineering plus the traditional physical sciences) participation rates than a place like UConn. 48% of recent Harvard grads are in STEM vs. 31% at UConn. What they don’t offer at the undergrad level, except in a few niche instances, are the practical terminal degrees in things like business, nursing & health sciences and education. They expect their students to get grad degrees (MBA, MD, PhD) to participate in those fields. [/QUOTE]