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Message: [QUOTE="nelsonmuntz, post: 4746284, member: 833"] I think the "stopped playing the game" was more marketing than anything by the prestige privates in a desperate attempt to remain relevant and justify charging $80,000/year to teach kids about Chaucer and Milton. The state schools have done an excellent job over the last 20 to 40 years, both within the rankings, and in actually providing an excellent, practical education. They were way ahead of the prestige privates in jumping into STEM and business degrees, and now many of the good, and even second and third tier state schools are climbing the rankings and attracting better students because they chose to provide degrees that were useful in the 21st century. The prestige privates openly ridiculed what they called "vocational" degrees right up until they realized they were dead unless they offered Computer Science and majors like it, and now most of them offer Computer Science. [/QUOTE]