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  1. DHam's jumpers still not there, but if he can give us 10 points, 9 boards, 7 dimes & 3 steals, I'm happy.
  2. 21 assists on 25 baskets. Yeah, that's up there.
  3. AD had 4 blocks, PN had 2. Plus he drew his mandatory charge.
  4. As long as we were in the bonus and double bonus, how did we end up only shooting 13 FTs? Maybe just as good we did, since we were hitting them at an astonishing 46% clip. I'm looking at you, Rodney.
  5. Omar looked great in what I saw on the 1st half. Not sure about how he did in the second half, because...
  6. Women's Tennis? Really?
  7. The 'yard is full of messages about how bad we were this game. Me, I like wins. And this was a win. On to the next game.
 
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Disagree with number 1 as dham's shot looked smooth. He needs to become more selfish. Purvis is the player i cringe with the ball in his hands. He is just a role player and not a star we were led to believe.
 

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To add a couple:

1. Don't go to Huskies before a Thursday game - It's no country for old men
2. It's one week closer to February when Rodney will start clicking on all cylinders.
 
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Disagree with number 1 as dham's shot looked smooth. He needs to become more selfish. Purvis is the player i cringe with the ball in his hands. He is just a role player and not a star we were led to believe.

Funny I see "star" or close to plenty to think his game will eventually click. Best lineup is with he and Omar in the game with DHam at the 4.
 
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To add a couple:

1. Don't go to Huskies before a Thursday game - It's no country for old men
2. It's one week closer to February when Rodney will start clicking on all cylinders.
 
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To add a couple:

1. Don't go to Huskies before a Thursday game - It's no country for old men
2. It's one week closer to February when Rodney will start clicking on all cylinders.


The real question is how many cylinders Rodney has.
 

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If you told me the stats from last night and asked me to guess the margin of victory, I'd have guessed between 15 and 20. I still don't even understand how they only won by 7. Was it the foul shooting? They didn't even get to the line that much. Was it the rebounding margin?

And please, someone ... get on Facey to be more aggressive. The kid is a baller and he needs to be more assertive or selfish or both. Loved seeing him drain that three ball. Give him the green light to pick and pop from the shoulder.
 
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Funny I see "star" or close to plenty to think his game will eventually click. Best lineup is with he and Omar in the game with DHam at the 4.
Wow. You're talking about Purvis, right? You definitely are seeing something I'm not.

I'm thinking he's going to be 2.5 more years of being a very frustrated player.

If you, as a guard, shoot 53% from the line, I, very judgmentally, just don't believe that you are dedicated to your game and/or you have an exceptionally low bball IQ.

Purvis plays like a freshman in his first game.

But he's had one full year in real games, one full year to practice with National Champs, and half another season.

Name me one player who was nearly as wild and low BBall IQ as him that far along in his career who then turned it around. Simply does not happen.
 
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My guess is he will be frustrating for the remainder of this season. I do believe we will see benefits from him over the next 2 seasons.
Not Ferrari type benefits, but a solid, productive final 2 seasons.
 

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Wow. You're talking about Purvis, right? You definitely are seeing something I'm not.

I'm thinking he's going to be 2.5 more years of being a very frustrated player.

If you, as a guard, shoot 53% from the line, I, very judgmentally, just don't believe that you are dedicated to your game and/or you have an exceptionally low bball IQ.

Purvis plays like a freshman in his first game.

But he's had one full year in real games, one full year to practice with National Champs, and half another season.

Name me one player who was nearly as wild and low BBall IQ as him that far along in his career who then turned it around. Simply does not happen.
Low bball IQ
 
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If you watched the interview at the end of the game, you could tell Boatright was pretty pissed off. He spoke a lot about playing defense and getting out rebounded way to often. I don't think he was to happy with his teammates efforts after being up 18.
 

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Name me one player who was nearly as wild and low BBall IQ as him that far along in his career who then turned it around. Simply does not happen.

Dyson? Some would say he never turned it around though.

I think of a player like Victor Oladipo. He was a basically a defensive specialist his first two years at Indiana, shot 25% from beyond the arc and was known to have limited handle and play out of control. He never once had a positive assist-to-turnover ratio. But he worked on his shot and became more patient as a Junior and ended up shooting at a 64%/44% clip on the year and getting drafted 2nd (albeit in a relatively weak draft.)

Not saying that's what Rodney is going to turn into but I don't think we need to write him off just yet.
 
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You can see all ingredients with Purvis. NBA body, strong, athletic, fast, nice stroke from three, good first step, can create space on the pull up, it's a very nice package. He has all the tangibles. All but one. He shot around 50% from the free throw line at NC State and he hasn't improve in Storrs. Even a small improvement would be a big improvement.

It's the intangibles with Rodney. He has trouble knowing when he has the advantage and when he doesn't. This gets him into trouble and he doesn't have the handle to get out of trouble once he's in it. That means TOs. It also means he will pass on an easy shot and take a more difficult one. If he can learn to play one step ahead of the game, his skills will make him a terrific player. He's pretty good right now. He will be a load when his brain catches up to his body.
 
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It's funny, all of us thought once our shooting came around we'd turn the corner. Our shooting seems to have come around, but now we forgot how to rebound, and play d to some extent. We weren't a great rebounding team early, but we certainly showed a lot better than we have in the past few games.
 
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Wow. You're talking about Purvis, right? You definitely are seeing something I'm not.

I'm thinking he's going to be 2.5 more years of being a very frustrated player.

If you, as a guard, shoot 53% from the line, I, very judgmentally, just don't believe that you are dedicated to your game and/or you have an exceptionally low bball IQ.

Purvis plays like a freshman in his first game.

But he's had one full year in real games, one full year to practice with National Champs, and half another season.

Name me one player who was nearly as wild and low BBall IQ as him that far along in his career who then turned it around. Simply does not happen.

You haven't watched must basketball have you? Not saying he's up there with the stars but to throw him down where you are is simply idiotic!
 
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Wow. You're talking about Purvis, right? You definitely are seeing something I'm not.

I'm thinking he's going to be 2.5 more years of being a very frustrated player.

If you, as a guard, shoot 53% from the line, I, very judgmentally, just don't believe that you are dedicated to your game and/or you have an exceptionally low bball IQ.

Purvis plays like a freshman in his first game.

But he's had one full year in real games, one full year to practice with National Champs, and half another season.

Name me one player who was nearly as wild and low BBall IQ as him that far along in his career who then turned it around. Simply does not happen.


Well since you put it this way Cheeky, he has no chance!:rolleyes:
 
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I don't think Purvis is as athletic as I thought he would be. He struggles with passing and ball handling at times. But he is solid and can drop 20 on a given night. I like what Mau said in that he may not be up there with the stars but he is certainly not down as low as Cheeky says (or as chief00's credibility)
 
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Purvis looked like a complete player for the first time this season against Stanford, making his own shots, making good reads on when to pass. It didn't carry over, but that was the first time I saw potential in him being a guy who can make plays and not just be the third option.

His athleticism was a little overrated (even giving him a little pass for the ankle sprain) - he doesn't get his shot off when he's guarded, he doesn't elevate over people much, and he is average to below average around the rim. He is a very good straight line driver - if he gets an open lane and can essentially run downhill with no obstacles, he'll look good (his recent baseline dunk for example, when nobody brought help). But as soon as he has to make a move or change direction or runs into resistance, his wheels start spinning, his handle gets really loose, and he makes poor decisions - either forcing up a bad shot or throwing a bailout pass (sometimes to cheerleaders). I'm not sure that's easily fixable, and the problem with hoops is that you rarely get to move in a straight line.

For him to emerge as a key weapon for us, he has to either put a ton of work in dribbling around cones (and/or chairs) - or he has to accept his limitations and downshift when he can't just go in a straight line, and make his reads more under control.

Missing FTs and Basketball IQ are two different issues, unless you think he doesn't know the correct play at the foul line is to get the ball in the basket.
 
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If you told me the stats from last night and asked me to guess the margin of victory, I'd have guessed between 15 and 20. I still don't even understand how they only won by 7. Was it the foul shooting? They didn't even get to the line that much. Was it the rebounding margin?

And please, someone ... get on Facey to be more aggressive. The kid is a baller and he needs to be more assertive or selfish or both. Loved seeing him drain that three ball. Give him the green light to pick and pop from the shoulder.
They were allowed to take and hit a number of threes the last 4 minutes. We had a comfortable lead going but there was no sense that they would overtake us. Just how much would we win by. Rodney missed 2 FT's which was crazy but here's some news. We're not a dominant team by any stretch.
 
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You haven't watched must basketball have you?
Do you believe that insults like these are required to make your point? Or are they gratuitous?

Here are Rodney's stats from his freshman year and from this year.
My main point was that the guy has horrible BBall IQ, and I can't see him getting much better over the next 2.5 years.
Mind you, he had an entire year to improve his body and game between these stats - note that his Minutes Per Game is within about 20 seconds for the two years:

442/439 Field Goal Percent (dropped)
468/486 2 PT FGP (increased)
385/373 3 PT FGP (dropped)
512/484 Free Throw Percent (dropped)
2.4/2.2 Rebounds per Game (dropped)
1.3/1.1 Assists (dropped)
.6/.5 Steals (dropped)
2/1 Blocks (dropped)
1.5/1.8 Turnovers (dropped)
8.3/9.5 Points (increased)

You can throw out whatever insults you want, but the stats don't lie. This kid has shown ZERO improvement in his game since his freshman year.

I'm sure we'll both be here in 2 years (but I'll probably have a different handle). We'll check then, but I have seen no reason whatsoever to think that this kid is going to change his game in the time he has left. The deficiencies he had 2 years ago are still there today, and they are just as pronounced - does not pass well, turns the ball over, can't shoot a free throw worth a crap, low BBIQ.
 
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Take away WVU and Yale where he was hurt and shouldn't have been on the floor, and Purvis' stats as a sophomore look a lot like Jerome Dyson's (save FT%)
 
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Do you believe that insults like these are required to make your point? Or are they gratuitous?

Here are Rodney's stats from his freshman year and from this year.
My main point was that the guy has horrible BBall IQ, and I can't see him getting much better over the next 2.5 years.
Mind you, he had an entire year to improve his body and game between these stats - note that his Minutes Per Game is within about 20 seconds for the two years:

442/439 Field Goal Percent (dropped)
468/486 2 PT FGP (increased)
385/373 3 PT FGP (dropped)
512/484 Free Throw Percent (dropped)
2.4/2.2 Rebounds per Game (dropped)
1.3/1.1 Assists (dropped)
.6/.5 Steals (dropped)
2/1 Blocks (dropped)
1.5/1.8 Turnovers (dropped)
8.3/9.5 Points (increased)

You can throw out whatever insults you want, but the stats don't lie. This kid has shown ZERO improvement in his game since his freshman year.

I'm sure we'll both be here in 2 years (but I'll probably have a different handle). We'll check then, but I have seen no reason whatsoever to think that this kid is going to change his game in the time he has left. The deficiencies he had 2 years ago are still there today, and they are just as pronounced - does not pass well, turns the ball over, can't shoot a free throw worth a crap, low BBIQ.

I apoloigize for the insults, although I am curious which reply was an insult?"idiotic"? hmmm. I guess it depends on your skin. oh well, those stats look pretty similar and he's on a team who spreads the wealth and minutes. Not sure what they prove but if you think he should be better, I agree. But to me he seems to be getting better every game and is feeling more comfortable with his teammates. I mean they all have their flaws he unfortunately may have come in with higher expectations therefore people feel the need to hammer down. He's no different than all of the players on this team.
 

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To add a couple:

1. Don't go to Huskies before a Thursday game - It's no country for old men
2. It's one week closer to February when Rodney will start clicking on all cylinders.
Disagree with number 1 as dham's shot looked smooth. He needs to become more selfish. Purvis is the player i cringe with the ball in his hands. He is just a role player and not a star we were led to believe.
Disagree that Hamilton, who's taken too many low percentage shots, should be more selfish. He needs to play within himself and with poise beyond a typical freshman, like he did last night.
 

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If you, as a guard, shoot 53% from the line, I, very judgmentally, just don't believe that you are dedicated to your game and/or you have an exceptionally low bball IQ.

I'm not sure that there is a direct correlation between the ability to make free throws and bball IQ in the universe that I live in.

Passing up an open 3 to drive into traffic = low BBIQ
Telegraphing passes = low BBIQ
Failing to know where your man is in a man2man defense = low BBIQ
Having a lousy FT percentage <> low BBIQ, it means poor concentration, poor mechanics or both.
 
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