TV Deal

[Jerry1714]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-catholic-7-close-reaching-media-rights-deals

If I am reading this right, the C7 is getting a large deal for just basketball then the NBE is getting for football and basketball?

If so, f*%k.

 

[GemParty]

So much for football driving the $$$. Where's our dollars? ST John's will be paid more. Maybe we can get a loan from DePaul.

 

[Vuce]

Yes, this has been dissected on the Conference Realignment board. Amazing - we could come in at 20 mil per year from this deal while the C7 may be at 40 mil per year. Yet all we hear is how important football is and even tty football blows away everything else. So in this instance we will have a mid level hoops league making about DOUBLE what we will make for a league with basketball AND football. GET US OUT OF THIS WARDE!!!!

 

[bazzdog]

They up two years ago. THe head Presidents vetoed that deal and now most of them are gone. We gotta get to the BIG soon.....

 

[Onions]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-catholic-7-close-reaching-media-rights-deals

If I am reading this right, the C7 is getting a large deal for just basketball then the NBE is getting for football and basketball?

If so, f*%k.

The catholic 7 have teams in the following TV markets

NYC - St. Johns and Seton Hall
Philadelphia - Villanova
Chicago - De Paul
Wash DC - Georgetown
Milwaukee - Marquette
and Providence

What's the biggest TV market of the NBE - Hartford? Cincinnati? Memphis? Houston? New Orleans?

 

[mauconnfan]

The catholic 7 have teams in the following TV markets

NYC - St. Johns and Seton Hall
Philadelphia - Villanova
Chicago - De Paul
Wash DC - Georgetown
Milwaukee - Marquette
and Providence

What's the biggest TV market of the NBE - Hartford? Cincinnati? Memphis? Houston? New Orleans?

yeah those Milwaukee and Providence markets are monstrous .........UConn will be fine because that league is nothing without a big time player!!! Bunch of wannabe's and no stud.......2, mybe 3 teams a year in the tourney!

 

[Jerry1714]

yeah those Milwaukee and Providence markets are monstrous .........UConn will be fine because that league is nothing without a big time player!!! Bunch of wannabe's and no stud.......2, mybe 3 teams a year in the tourney!

Nova, Marqutte and Gtown are perennial tourney teams. If the league adds Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, Butler and VCU as expected that is an additional 3 teams that will always be in the discussion.

How many are in the new NBE? 3?

 

[huskiesnyc]

The reason the TV deal is so low is because UConn and Cinci are completely noncommittal, and there's a decent chance we won't be around. Now if we were willing to sign a GOR the NBE would be in the range of at least $50 mill (best guess). Like Jacobs said all we can do is keep winning and hope for the B1G/ACC call.

 

[ctchamps]

Let onions feel good about his C7. But like all of us he's lobbying for the best case scenario of his group and not looking at the entire picture.

UConn, Temple, Cincy, and Memphis, and Houston have the same cache as whatever the C7 can group together. The markets are equivalent and probably favor the BE. The two schools in Florida have more alumni in their short history then the all of the C7 can put together. So it isn't about markets or history or success. UConn trumps all the other teams combined almost by itself in the success category.

The answer is stability. There is almost zero probability that the C7 league will change once it brings in whoever. But the BE is almost sure to change at some point in time and that is the primary if not exclusive factor in the lowball numbers.

 

[ctchamps]

The reason the TV deal is so low is because UConn and Cinci are completely noncommittal, and there's a decent chance we won't be around. Now if we were willing to sign a GOR the NBE would be in the range of at least $50 mill (best guess). Like Jacobs said all we can do is keep winning and hope for the B1G/ACC call.

We totally agree! Sad thing is that the BE, if it stayed together could have exceeded the value of the ACC, but that required patience and trust. Too many schools flinched, preferring the numbers in hand as opposed to confidence in themselves. It didn't help that the major media negotiator had vested interests in both the ACC and the BE and played the schools off one another to maximize their deals in their favor.

 

[Onions]

yeah those Milwaukee and Providence markets are monstrous .........UConn will be fine because that league is nothing without a big time player!!! Bunch of wannabe's and no stud.......2, mybe 3 teams a year in the tourney!

Milwaukee is the #35 Market, Hartford is #30, Cincinnati # 34.
Providence is the #52 Market, Memphis is #48, New Orleans is #53

The Catholic 7 have 4 teams playing in the top 5 markets, The NBE has Houston which is the # 10 market. If you were an advertiser, where would you spend your money.

Uconn may be fine, but if you'r trying to understand why the Catholic 7 are getting a bigger TV contract than the NBE, all you have to do is count.

 

[ctchamps]

Milwaukee is the #35 Market, Hartford is #30, Cincinnati # 34.
Providence is the #52 Market, Memphis is #48, New Orleans is #53

The Catholic 7 have 4 teams playing in the top 5 markets, The NBE has Houston which is the # 10 market. If you were an advertiser, where would you spend your money.

Uconn may be fine, but if you'r trying to understand why the Catholic 7 are getting a bigger TV contract than the NBE, all you have to do is count.

You conveniently leave out Temple. And St. Johns may be in NYC but are people watching them more than Cuse or UConn or Notre Dame? The answer has been no for a long time. BC is in Boston and it doesn't generate nearly the press or interest in that market that UConn generates.

College basketball is about alumni primarily. Except for BYU and Notre Dame and Brandeis which have religious affiliations that generate interest. There is a reason why the Big Ten network is doing well and it is only partially because of the Big Ten's success in football. It is mostly a huge alumni base. In that case UCF and USF trump the C7.

 

[Onions]

You conveniently leave out Temple. And St. Johns may be in NYC but are people watching them more than Cuse or UConn or Notre Dame? The answer has been no for a long time. BC is in Boston and it doesn't generate nearly the press or interest in that market that UConn generates.

College basketball is about alumni primarily. Except for BYU and Notre Dame and Brandeis which have religious affiliations that generate interest. There is a reason why the Big Ten network is doing well and it is only partially because of the Big Ten's success in football. It is mostly a huge alumni base. In that case UCF and USF trump the C7.

Conference re-alignment is all about the upside. No matter how popular Memphis is, they are still in a relatively small market. No matter how bad DePaul is now, they are in a huge market, and they are one great coach away from being able to maximize that market, something that Memphis can never do. Why else would the Big 10 pick Rutgers? they currently have no presence in the NY market. But now all the other Big 10 schools get to play in the #1 TV market in the country and get the exposure that cities like NY can bring. It's not about how good the school is now, it's about how the exposure of that market will help the entire conference. Which is why Houston was a good pick for the NBE.

 

[ctchamps]

Conference re-alignment is all about the upside. No matter how popular Memphis is, they are still in a relatively small market. No matter how bad DePaul is now, they are in a huge market, and they are one great coach away from being able to maximize that market, something that Memphis can never do. Why else would the Big 10 pick Rutgers? they currently have no presence in the NY market. But now all the other Big 10 schools get to play in the #1 TV market in the country and get the exposure that cities like NY can bring. It's not about how good the school is now, it's about how the exposure of that market will help the entire conference. Which is why Houston was a good pick for the NBE.

I guess so was Temple. And if you argue demographics then UCF and USF should be considered as well. But arguing about population base is only one factor. I'm not going to open a burger joint in India. Market is bigger than China, or will be so in a short time. But they are culturally against beef. If DePaul develops into a powerhouse, then perhaps Chicagoans will gravitate to that program. But here is the catch in that scenario. If Depaul finds that coach you assert, and if he brings the program to success, what is the likelihood he gets poached by a program making 35 million a year vs. DePaul's money deal?

So DePaul and all the other C7 schools will have trouble developing lots of momentum. Same for the BE schools. And the media guys know this. Their markets are not the driving factor in this. UConn's plight, plain and simple, is it's success and it's potential to find itself in another conference. Same with Cinci. If they could prove commitment, the deals would be reversed. But after the defections of A&M, Mizzou, Nebraska, and most recently Maryland, there is no proof. So the C7, if they get a better deal, no certainty about this, it isn't because they are more valued by market share. It is about stability relative to the unstable BE.