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Message: [QUOTE="MSSportsGuy, post: 3341153, member: 6485"] Thank you all for chiming in. I believe there are some great players listed here that were definitely transformative. Agreed there are also a lot of terrific players who came through already established programs who are phenomenal but wouldn't fit either category based on my definitions in the original post. What I was really looking for is feedback whether or not Ionescu belongs in transcendent or is still at that transformative level. I used the examples of Diggins and Wilson because I am a fan of both and while I recognize their incredible talent, neither is at the level of the players I mentioned originally as transcendent. The jury may still be out on Ionescu since she has a year of college left to go and if healthy should keep Oregon in contention for the NC. It is true that we as fans can only include those players who fit our framework of viewing. I am too young to remember Cheryil Miller playing but know she was incredible. I started watching the game in the early 90s when the limited opportunities presented themselves. Staley was exceptionally good for her time but I believe Bird is better. Swoopes was the first woman I saw who looked as though she was capable of playing the game in a way some male players could. I remember Lobo, humble yet tough, battling against UT and the team that started it all. Holdsclaw had many of the qualities of Swoopes yet she was the first female player I saw that could glide around the court (I was told Miller could do that as well). Bird and Catchings weren't in my original list but clearly both are transcendent based on their body of work over their full careers. Lastly, I said college career to place in the transcendent category and I mean it. I saw EDD a few times when she was at Delaware and I was as impressed with her as I was any of the players I mentioned along side her, she just didn't have the coaching or teammates necessary to really compete among the elite teams. I have thought before her college career was somewhat overlooked even with the gaudy numbers because of the fact it's Delaware and also how a small number of fans were still upset over her decision to play there rather than Uconn. I think it's fair to say it worked out well for her. I am still very impressed in Ionescu and think she is the best player in the country overall. I just wasn't sure if you guys thought she was the next chosen one or part of an elite group that is just below that dividing line. [/QUOTE]

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