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Message: [QUOTE="nwhoopfan, post: 2421047, member: 7894"] Could be some of both. Gonzaga was good before Vandersloot came along, and they continued to be good after she left. Their high water mark certainly occurred while she was an upperclassman. They've also remained fairly good since Graves moved on to Oregon. They had a Sweet 16 a couple years after he left. Delaware was a different situation that was almost entirely because of Delle Donne. I think you have to look at whether it was a very short run or sustained over a number of years. Green Bay is good pretty much every year and have been for quite a while, right? [/QUOTE]