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It's time to lock down the starters and rotation.

Starting lineup has to be Napier, Lamb, Roscoe, Alex and Drummond. Napier, Lamb get 30+, Alex and Drummond get 25+, Roscoe gets 20+, Boat gets 18, Olander gets 15, DD and Giffey get what's left over.

We've started DD and Giffey and they just aren't giving us enough. We know what we get with Roscoe getting the start and 20 - hard nose defense, rebounding and maybe 6 or so garbabe points. That's all we need (and about a billion times better than we got out of the three spot tonight).

It's seriously time to lock down the rotation and that's the best we have.
 

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The crowd was really riled when Roscoe came in. He has the support from the fans, and that has got to build confidence and mean something.
 
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agreed, I was ready for Giffey to breakout but its just not there, go with Scoe but he needs to go all out for the minutes he does get.
 

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You need Olander to give you a long stretch against the zone. He's good at parking on the FT stripe and passing the ball around it.

Now, passing on the perimeter? Different story.
 

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I posted this multiple times tonight, but Boatright played 30 minutes tonight, Lamb 40 and Shabazz 36. that makes Lamb our 3 man, by my advanced mathematical calculations. NG had 10, DD 3, and RS 3. I doubt very much that Boatright's minutes will drop very much, which leaves little in the way of minutes to spread around to the "other 3's."
 
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I know people got all over Roscoe for his wild drives last year, but I almost wish Lamb and Daniels had some of that mentality.
 

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One of Daniels/Giffey/Roscoe needs to step up or all of them need to start providing a threat at the 3.

I did like Giffey's drive to the foul line near the end of the game. He does one or two plays a game where he does something nice, same with Daniels. It's kind of annoying because they all have a ton of tools but just haven't put it together yet.
 

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One of Daniels/Giffey/Roscoe needs to step up or all of them need to start providing a threat at the 3.

I did like Giffey's drive to the foul line near the end of the game. He does one or two plays a game where he does something nice, same with Daniels. It's kind of annoying because they all have a ton of tools but just haven't put it together yet.

that's the kind of play that Giffey can make....the only problem is that he is not making them. Just like the two 3's he missed last game. But, I still think that he is the most likely to give us quality minutes if he keeps getting the minutes.
 
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Give Smith a game - use olander and boatright off bench. Have to give the guy a chance. Play 7 guys for now barring foul trouble. We look better when we are not substituting so much. I remember against Seton Hall we were up 11 to 2 and then the under 16 timeout comes. Inexplicably Blaney takes Lamb and AO out. Yea like Lamb was tired after 4 min and all hell broke loose
 

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this is what i want as well
bazz for 30 boat for 10
lamb for 30 bazz for 5 boat for 5
scoe for 20 lamb for 5 dd for 15
ao for 25 olander for 15
ad for 30ish ao for 10ish

giving time for gif to try to make it work somehow is killing our rotational development. bazz and boat are great players, so we put them on the court together. prob is that 2 much time together is killing each others development at the pg spot becuase the ball is going back and forth way to much. lamb is a 2, he is a major advantage at the 2. when he is at the 3 he is good and better than most teams 3s but not the major advantage like when he is at the 2. keep him at the 2. we need to get our 3 straight. stop with gif, give him another year of watching/weights. dd can score at times and you know what your gettinf with scoe. go with what you know. scoe at the doesn't hurt us. gif at the 3 can help or hurt. dd at the 3 can help and maybe hurt. safe bet please. ao has a nice mid range that ppl are just ignoring. blah blah he didn't work on post moves over the summer. your right, he didn't. he worked his ass off learning how to shoot with touch and become a 4 man. give him props for that. ad takes away alot of touches and crowds the paint some, that hurt ao's game but hes doing a fine job. recognize ppl! ad is coming along nicely. he still has a middle school i cant reach from 3 shot form but besides that hes getting there. some post moves and a couple lessons on shooting form will go along way. he has to change that form, in the nba that ends up in the 5th row alot. 8 man rotation, end of story.
 
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I approve of this post :)

I would add that Roscoe should offensively only be taking spot-up 3's or putbacks.
 
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I love Scoe, but I haven't really seen anything to warrant him playing 20+ minutes. Boatright is a much better option, even if it pushes Shabazz out of his natural position.
 
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Right on with Roscoe - he can hit the open 3 -and hit the offensive glass. Players need to embrace their roles. Lamb should be getting 16 plus shots a game
 
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this is what i want as well
bazz for 30 boat for 10
lamb for 30 bazz for 5 boat for 5
scoe for 20 lamb for 5 dd for 15
ao for 25 olander for 15
ad for 30ish ao for 10ish

giving time for gif to try to make it work somehow is killing our rotational development. bazz and boat are great players, so we put them on the court together. prob is that 2 much time together is killing each others development at the pg spot becuase the ball is going back and forth way to much. lamb is a 2, he is a major advantage at the 2. when he is at the 3 he is good and better than most teams 3s but not the major advantage like when he is at the 2. keep him at the 2. we need to get our 3 straight. stop with gif, give him another year of watching/weights. dd can score at times and you know what your gettinf with scoe. go with what you know. scoe at the doesn't hurt us. gif at the 3 can help or hurt. dd at the 3 can help and maybe hurt. safe bet please. ao has a nice mid range that ppl are just ignoring. blah blah he didn't work on post moves over the summer. your right, he didn't. he worked his ass off learning how to shoot with touch and become a 4 man. give him props for that. ad takes away alot of touches and crowds the paint some, that hurt ao's game but hes doing a fine job. recognize ppl! ad is coming along nicely. he still has a middle school i cant reach from 3 shot form but besides that hes getting there. some post moves and a couple lessons on shooting form will go along way. he has to change that form, in the nba that **** ends up in the 5th row alot. 8 man rotation, end of story.

I strongly disagree with Boat's minutes going down to 15 and DD getting the same number of minutes. Fact is, Boat's production has been much, much better than DD's and based on that alone you can't give them equal minutes. Calhoun has always had PT based very significantly off of how you earn it, and that goes against this philosophy entirely. I respect your opinion, just strongly disagree.

Not to mention, up until tonight Boat had hardly been running the point. He had been playing at the 2 spot when he'd come in... and yes he is a scorer, but tonight he got a lot more time at the 1 and I thought it worked really well. It is very similar to Kemba/Shabazz last year, both are point guards but both are also scorers. Main difference is Boatright is a freshman, so he's obviously nowhere near Kemba's level last year and is going to make frosh mistakes.

However, you can tell Boatright is a natural leader and will be a very, very good UConn PG the more time he gets at the position. He reminds me a lot of Kemba in his freshman year, only Kemba had more of a cemented role in an older team that already had its roles much more figured out for the most part. Boatright is a member of a very young team that is still figuring out a lot of different roles, significantly different circumstances. Giving Boat and DD both 15 mins makes zero sense to me. By all means, I'd love for DD to be producing enough to warrant 15 mins of PT or more. I just don't feel that he has shown nearly as much as Boatright thus far... and we're getting to the point where we need to be firming up the roles.

I would also like to see Roscoe get a lot more PT, as I feel he can be a huge factor in this team's success if he gets to where he was last year in terms of defense/rebounding. It is just hard considering he hasn't shown it hardly at all this year. It'd be nice to see him worked into the rotation at the 4 more, but I'm not going to beat a dead horse... most everyone has been echoing the same thing I would say regarding Roscoe's PT. Only thing is that I don't feel that NG needs to be benched in favor of RS necessarily since RS is more of a 4 than a 3. Unless we are going big and putting RS at the 3, he is definitely more of a PF than a SF.

The end... time for some sleep as I'm beat.
 
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I do love what I am hearing here as Roscoe has always been one of my favorites. Calhoun needs to finalize the lineup and not make s many substitutions. No way Roscoe should play only 2 minutes in back to back games when he was such a big piece to the title last year. Calhoun needs to show some more faith and respect for Roscoe and Alex because they will both succeed and help the team out if given the encouragement and freedom to play even through some mistakes. Alex O had a great game today even though the stat sheet doesn't show it. Roscoe should get his starting job back at the 3 spot and giffey should be his back up.

We don;t need scoring from Roscoe but everything else plus intangibles he brings to the court. Daniels is no ready for the big time yet and we know Roscoe is as he has already proven himself.
 

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dd may not be ready for the big time yet, but from what i have seen i would rather give him minutes at the 3 for developing then gif.
 
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OP not sure putting RS in there is going to solve anything. I think NG is a better fit since he can at least guard the perimeter. RS brings zero offense and only interior defense which is not an issue right now. I rather see DD get some time. He really must be in Calhoun's dog house. RS is really only good at the PF spot which I can see him stealing some of TO's minutes depending on matchups.
 

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I'd like to see RS warrant more minutes.

Killed on Offensive Boards again. WVU was +11 on Offensive Boards and +18 on shots including +14 from beyond the arc.

The good news: Notre Dame is one of the worst rebounding teams in the BE. Last in offensive boards and scores fewer points a game than UConn. Not much interior game with Abromaitis out.

6-man rotation and 5 of them are guards. It's built like a classic CYO team :)
 
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