Tiering D1 Teams

[UC1995]

Please feel free to discuss but I will start with the obvious that Syracuse is to high!

 

[dannyHAM]

Push UConn to the top and drop Cinci, Arkansas and Syracuse to the third spot. Although the last time we played Arkansas was one of the worst UConn games I’ve ever watched.

 

[HobokenHusky]

Push UConn to the top and drop Cinci, Arkansas and Syracuse to the third spot.

UCLA and Indiana should be in same tier, either 1 or 2 (washed up programs with amazing history). Drop UVA to 3rd tier, and if we are being objective Cuse can stay in tier 2. Could move Gonzaga up to tier 2 also.

 

[Hoophound]

A few bad years will do this to a program. We were once referred to by a major analyst/announcer as a “bluest of the blue bloods” program. We arrived. Now we have to throw a few knockout punches to refresh some memories. .

 

[Stainmaster]

FSU and Temple should be swapped. Also, how the heck are Miami of Ohio and Dayton listed in the same tier?

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Lots of really really really bad placements here. Almost as if the guy didn’t watch college basketball at all, but apparently he has a job doing it. If I saw this list, I certainly wouldn’t hire him for any college basketball position...

 

[bendm]

whats the selection criteria? the P5, the BE, a few aac schools, a couple ivies, some random mid majors like charleston and pepperdine??

how the heck is New Mexico St in tier 4? that one jumped out at me

 

[Ts5034]

I would move UConn, Michigan St, and Indiana into a Tier 1.5. It’s just not right that they put them into the same category with Arkansas, Ohio St, Florida, or Cincy. Also, Is Cal, Wake Forest, and Iowa really that more solid than Seton Hall or Providence??

 

[Dooooooomed]

Half the AAC belongs in the basement.

 

[UC1995]

whats the selection criteria? the P5, the BE, a few aac schools, a couple ivies, some random mid majors like charleston and pepperdine??

how the heck is New Mexico St in tier 4? that one jumped out at me

All I could figure was that it is an ACC guy doing it since they start with those schools in each category.

 

[Mr. French]

If Arkansas is higher than Gonzaga after the last 20 years, then I'm watching the wrong sport.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Putting any one-time champion in Tier 2 ruins that tier. Buh bye 'cuse, Gtown, 'Zona, Virginia, Buckeyes, Arkansas.

I would go so far as to say Tier 2 should be 3x Champs, or 10 or more FF to be in that category- IU, UConn, Nova, MSU, Louisville.

 

[Mr. French]

Putting any one-time champion in Tier 2 ruins that tier. Buh bye 'cuse, Gtown, 'Zona, Virginia, Buckeyes, Arkansas.

I would go so far as to say Tier 2 should be 3x Champs, or 10 or more FF to be in that category- IU, UConn, Nova, MSU, Louisville.

That's interesting - I hadn't thought about being that "strict" but it is a good way to separate UConn.

These questions are always interesting because you necessarily have to take into account history but also recent history. UCLA has stunk for 15 years more or less, had a few F4s and titles 25 years ago but otherwise they're like Indiana. Yet they sort of have to be tier 1 still.

 

[Chin Diesel]

If Arkansas is higher than Gonzaga after the last 20 years, then I'm watching the wrong sport.

Historically Arkansas is a much better program and it's not even close. They've actually won a championship, and have been to six FF's. Gonzaga has one FF as its resume's lead off bullet.

 

[Mr. French]

Historically Arkansas is a much better program and it's not even close. They've actually won a championship, and have been to six FF's. Gonzaga has one FF as its resume's lead off bullet.

Totally true, but that's where weighing program significance historically vs. the last 20 years is important.

I mean, Gonzaga is a top 5-10 program in the last 20 years, I'd say. Arkansas hasn't existed since 1994. That's quite awhile ago.

But I totally agree, it's not as straightforward as I made it seem, which is why I said "the last 20 years."

Overall, right now making a list in 2020, I'm not putting Arkansas in tier 2 with those other schools. I think that's way too generous.

 

[Chin Diesel]

That's interesting - I hadn't thought about being that "strict" but it is a good way to separate UConn.

These questions are always interesting because you necessarily have to take into account history but also recent history. UCLA has stunk for 15 years more or less, had a few F4s and titles 25 years ago but otherwise they're like Indiana. Yet they sort of have to be tier 1 still.

UCLA is the ultimate "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the rest of the play?" program. Outside of a 15 year run, they are nothing special. But that 12 year run is the greatest run college history.


Outside of the golden years run you have:

One championship- 1995. (Moment of silence and mandatory JC saying UCLA was only team who could beat next year and Tyus Edny layup, blah, blah, blah)
Four FF's- 1980, 2006, 2007, 2008

One Championship and 4 FF's alone makes them a Tier 2 program.

 

[Mr. French]

UCLA is the ultimate "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the rest of the play?" program. Outside of a 15 year run, they are nothing special. But that 12 year run is the greatest run college history.

Well, they did have a run in the mid 2000s and the mid 90s, but yes agreed.

Also, I feel like they somewhat stay "relevant" even when they're bad. That's a part of it too. Arkansas basketball really has never registered nationally since the 90s.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Yale would be Tier 1 in football. Point being, these lists are useless.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Yale would be Tier 1 in football. Point being, these lists are useless.

If you were doing a comprehensive list of college football programs throughout the history of college football, absolutely.

The problem with the list is it's a mash up of historically great programs and current programs who are really good but haven't done nearly as much.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

If Arkansas is higher than Gonzaga after the last 20 years, then I'm watching the wrong sport.

It’s like this guy is placing like a 80% weight on pre-2000 results, 10% post-2000, and 10% fictional results.

 

[Dooooooomed]

Don't do drugs.

 

[Mr. French]

Don't do drugs.

It's definitely wrong, but at least he qualified that it's "right now" and not a combo of 60 years ago history, etc.

 

[August_West]

Please feel free to discuss but I will start with the obvious that Syracuse is to high!

They are tier 5 at best . Lol one title

 

[bendm]

if it's right now then wouldnt iowa and wisconsin have to be tier 1 since theyre both top 5 preseason teams?