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Message: [QUOTE="caw, post: 4934358, member: 563"] A) movement at this point in the season is not that big. 3/17 Kenpom had the following (I don't have 3/18 or 3/19 unfortunately but those days shouldn't factor in much): 1) UConn (same now unless noted going forward) 2) Houston 3) Purdue [B]4) Auburn (Still at 4)[/B] 5) ISU (7th now) 6) Zona (5th) 7) Tennessee (8th) 8) Duke (6th) 9) UNC (9th) 10) Illinois 11) Creighton 12) Marquette (13th) 13) Bama (14th) [B]14) Baylor (15th)[/B] 15) Zags (12th) ... 21) SDSU (17th) ... 35) Clemson (23rd) ... 58) NC State (53rd) So since the tournament started you can only really argue I should have said 13 of the top 15 are in the sweet sixteen instead of saying 13 of the top 14. Gonzaga moved passed Baylor (and a few others) but the top 15 only shifted up and down in the top 15. SDSU/Clemson and SDSU only saw jumps of 4, 12 and 5 respectively. Not enough to make a complaint about the ratings IMO. Perhaps you could argue Clemson was overseeded by where Kenpom metrics would place them but have risen since. B) Torvik has the following through March 19th (AKA before the tournament): 1) Houston 2) UConn 3) Purdue [B]4) Auburn (now at 5)[/B] 5) Zona (now at 4) 6) ISU 7) Tennessee 8) UNC 9) MU (now at 10) 10) Duke (now at 9) 11) Creighton 12) Bama (now at 14) 13) Illinois [B]14) Saint Marys (now at 15) - edited to not confuse with other SMU[/B] 15) Zags (now at 12) ... 28) SDSU (5th seed and now at 24) ... 31) Clemson (6th seed and now at 26) ... 63) NC State (now at 60) So on Torvik the only "big" movers since the start of the tournament were SDSU (4 spots), Clemson (5 spots), and NC State (3 spots). So if you really want to argue the metrics such as Kenpom and Torvik are still updating through the tournament you are accurate but it is irrelevant to the argument about metrics being accurate pre-tournament. [/QUOTE]

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