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Message: [QUOTE="BigErnMcCracken, post: 4340130, member: 70"] Incidentally, California requires a certain number of practice hours before you can take your actual road test. My kid has logged about 8 of the required 50 so last Saturday I proposed a drive over to this breakfast place I like near Dodger Stadium. It's about 15 miles from us which might as well be another galaxy. I figured we'd knock out some driving time and get something good to eat. I told her we could take surface streets and avoid the freeways. Bear in mind my wife is more of the "training wheels" school of thought when it comes to this stuff while I'm more of a "sink or swim" person. So at some point I realize a trip on surface streets to the other side of the city is going to take way too long so I gently proposed we hop on the (fairly busy) 101 freeway, which we did. Believe me when I tell you I cannot recall another time in my life when I felt so completely helpless as to whether I lived or died. Terrifying. I drove us home. We will revisit the freeways in 30 hours or so. [/QUOTE]