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I'm going to try very hard to deal with the game as a game first, before I say what I'm really thinking. here goes.

When did Towson believe that they were going to win the game? When they walked onto the field. You could see it in their eyes and body language. They were not there for a check -- they were there to win. Congratulations to Leon Kinnard, and to Rob Ambrose, and their team for a strong effort and accomplishment. And make no mistake about it -- they were simply the better team yesterday. If we played that game, at the Rent, ten more times, they would win most of them. What happened to us? Why were they the better team? Two reasons. Individually, we are not as talented as we think we are. We lost a bunch of NFL talent, and the growth of the young men we have been bringing into the program just did not replace them. Sure, its cool that Graham Stewart got a schollie for Florida, but at no moment yesterday did it look like he as a Soph was in the stratosphere of talent that Lutrus and Fincher and Sio and other lighly recruited LBs we developed had. In two full recruiting cycles, P hasn't brought in a CB, a position you can play right away, more talented than the athletic but inconsistent Taylor Mack or the out of position Byron Jones. The OL and TB position were, frankly, no more physically talented than what Towson had. But it's not all personnel. For the third year, you can tell that most of our opponents will just have a better understanding of what they are trying to do than us. Whether it's use of timeouts, actually being ready to play at the snap instead of still thinking or every so often having a play that works not because a player makes a play but just because there is a schematic advantage. Folks -- the mountain back up to get to where we were from '07 through '10 is going to be long and ardious, and in our current conference situation, with some of the institutional disadvantages we have, may not even be doable. If that sounds depressed -- well, I was at the game last night. I don't know how you can't be.

Let's start with special teams. Wagner and Christen both had ordinary nights. Coverages were fine, if not spectacular. The kickoff return game showed no interest in giving us a spark. And, while you can't (and I'm not) pinning the loss on him, if Lemelle just catches the punt with 3 minutes to go, instead of putting it on the ground before being touched, we had a decent chance to tie the game up. Talking about personnel in coverage units, frankly, doesn't interest me after last night's loss. Who cares, and the loss wasn't about specials team play.

For those who thought people would step in for Trevardo and Sio and Blidi and Dwayne and Jory and Ryan Wirth and we'd be close to as good -- well, LMAO. We were gashed by their running game. Just gashed. It didn't look like we were getting pushed off the ball, but the LBs were making plays 4 and 5 yards downfield all game, not 2 and 3 yards downfield. Which is why the large number of tackles by Smallwood and Donohue is a useless stat. I thought whenever subs came in at the DL there was a huge drop off. I thought it was as uninspired a game by a group of UConn LBs as I have seen in the 11 years of the Rent. The Safeties were fine (Obi will be a stud, and made some outstanding plays, but also made his share of terrible plays in not sealing the outside off and generally showed why he was't going to start but for Adams getting hurt), Taylor Mack was adequate at best, and Jones made a huge and horrific play in the 4th quarter that makes you wonder if, despite his athleticism, he will be a good CB. Oh -- and just like last year, a mere one takeaway. Just a depressing, disastorous, dismal performance.

And the offense wasn't much better. We knew coming in to the season that improved OL play was the key. We also knew that we had some depth in the interior of the OL, but that we had nothing behind Friend and Bennett at OT (bodes well for next year, huh)? Well, you can make the case that this game was lost when Friend didn't suit up. Yes, the OL as a whole looked slow and disorganized (not ready yet to say it was or was not still trying to figure out zone blocking) but Hemingway was simply overrun play after play after play. In both the running game and the passing game. In prior years, you would have lined a Brouse or a Delahunt up next to him and helped him out, but we don't have that kind of physical, almost ready to play OT TE this year. Not even close. Whitmer threw well when he was set and throwing, but the moment the feet started shuffling or running he couldn't make a high school level throw. Was it his fault they started pressuring him every play? Of course not. But you'd like your QB to make at least some plays outside the pocket and we didn't come close. McCombs didn't do much (one nice run) but wasn't the problem, and we saw cameos for Delorenzo and Hyppolite. Cameo for Walsh, but didn't see anything. Geremy Davis might have been the one person who showed up to win yesterday. Phillips was o.k. but failed to make a big play after being held but wrestling free from it that could have changed the game. Foxx -- well, I wish Leon Kinnard was in our slot instead of theirs. You all remember Leon Kinnard -- he got snaps in Ann Arbor in '10 as a wildcat QB, but eventually languished on our bench, was told he was going to be moved to WR and followed Ambrose to Towson. Had 4 catches last night -- one really good one downfield.

So P is gone towards the end of the year. I simply don't care when during the season they fire him. It will certainly be in time that we are early to the market looking for our next coach. Yes, the season isn't over, and yes, we could still go 11-1 or whatever it would take to save P's job, but it's just not going to happen. This is not a good team. These players, under this system, are not going to have a good year. Are these players good enough to have a good game under someone elses's system? Ask me in 15 months. I'm not convinced the raw talent is much different from that under Edsall, but, as people are now seeing, raw talent and potential is very different from having good football players 3 to 5 years later. This was a dreadful mistake, and should have been seen as one from the beginning. Ironically, while we will never know, Burton's "demands" may have, in Hathaway's mind, forced his hand on this. But no sane person should have pulled this trigger. Because now, with this having been opening night, I'm ready to point the thing at my own head.
 
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A fair assessment of last night's debacle as well as the overall state of the program. Interestingly, Kinnard did play well as a receiver. Back in the HCRE days, he was being recruited as a QB first and then maybe the staff would find a way to utilize his athletic talent. Well he was no QB, but UConn wasted his time pretending. He did have talent, but UConn just couldn't/wouldn't get him out at WR to utilize it (because we had such great talent already there???).

Give him credit for leaving a bad situation and, boy, could we use him now.
 
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I feel like we handed Hathaway ... and then Pasqualoni , a A rated Investment Grade company. We had all invested 10 years in it. We were happy & joyful. Eager to move on. We could make that 40,000 seat Fanbase & grow.

We now have a Junk Bond. What happened? It's not all that complex; but, in sports, it is everything. Mismanagement Bigtime. We have at least equal talent-wise kids. We actually are better in some positions. But ... it just looks simply putrid. Last night wasn't that different from many others. When I see DeLeone, I just want to go after him ... like I would if my financial advisors lost most all my money.
 
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I'm glad you had the energy to write this up BL. Thanks from this fan.

I personally just am incredibly deflated today. I know I'll be able to get my own energy levels back up, and I'll be excited for the upcoming games for sure, and there's obviously a lot more in life that's important beyond football, but I honestly cannot remember my excitement for a new football season being so completely and thoroughly wiped out from an opening day loss as I feel today.

Perhaps the joy of eventually winning again, will be that much sweeter. Whenever the heck it happens.
 

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I'm glad you had the energy to write this up BL. Thanks from this fan.

I personally just am incredibly deflated today. ...I honestly cannot remember my excitement for a new football season being so completely and thoroughly wiped out from an opening day loss as I feel today.

My feelings too. Thanks BL. As you say, long and arduous road ahead. It feels like the offseason and spring and summer camps were wasted. If the current staff knew how to put the players on a road to success they would have done it. Whenever the new staff is in place, they will need time. They won't have the budget or the enthusiasm that was present a few years ago.

I would like to see GDL go and Foley put back on the o-line. It may not help anything but I can't keep watching the o-line fail in the same way for a third year. It's time to fail in a different way. Also Weist needs to feel he's totally in charge of the offense, including the o-line, and be given total authority for making this offense work.

Whitmer has proven he cannot throw on the run -- he had a wide open receiver after getting flushed out of the pocket on one play and missed him by 10 feet, apparently content to ground the ball. Unless film can be hidden from opposing coaches, he's going to be on the run every passing play all season long. Don't know if anything can be done about having a limited pocket passer on a team that can't maintain a pocket.
 
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I'm glad you had the energy to write this up BL. Thanks from this fan.

I personally just am incredibly deflated today. I know I'll be able to get my own energy levels back up, and I'll be excited for the upcoming games for sure, and there's obviously a lot more in life that's important beyond football, but I honestly cannot remember my excitement for a new football season being so completely and thoroughly wiped out from an opening day loss as I feel today.

Perhaps the joy of eventually winning again, will be that much sweeter. Whenever the heck it happens.

Are there more important things in life than football? Yes. When I get on the golf course in Vermont Sunday morning, will I have moved on with my life? Yes. But the joy in UConn football is gone for me. I wasn't excited coming into the stadium, because while I didn't expect to lose the game I did not share the general optimism that many here had.

If the new coach comes in and takes over a (god forbid) 2-10 team, I will root like heck the next two years even if we repeat 2-10 and then go 3-9. That is patience. I was patient in '05 and '06 (unlike others). But there is a difference between being patient, and being rewarded with every small step forward, versus rooting for a sinking ship. This ship has been sinking since the moment P took over, and called the third and long square out at Vandy. I supported not firing him the last two years because he had done enough to earn year 3, and I rooted like heck for him all that time. I might have been the only person in the stadium standing on every defensive third down last night. But it's now over. This is a lame duck season from here on in. I will have trouble getting up for games. Even the next two.
 
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I agree with Carl ... I'm glad BL had the energy to write that up, because I sure as hell don't.

TDH - I'm pretty sure Kinnard agreed to come to UCONN contingent on getting an opportunity to play QB. Once the staff decided to move him to wideout he decided to transfer. At least that's the way I remember it.
 
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Keep the faith BL...don't give in! You are spot on...with this though. Did you hit any traffic going home last night? I went 95 thinking I would avoid the paving on the Merrit..between New Haven 91/95 merge) and Stamford (was able to go through downtown though to get ahead of construction) it made the night worse!
 
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I agree with Carl ... I'm glad BL had the energy to write that up, because I sure as hell don't.

TDH - I'm pretty sure Kinnard agreed to come to UCONN contingent on getting an opportunity to play QB. Once the staff decided to move him to wideout he decided to transfer. At least that's the way I remember it.

I think that is what happened.
 
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A fair assessment of last night's debacle as well as the overall state of the program. Interestingly, Kinnard did play well as a receiver. Back in the HCRE days, he was being recruited as a QB first and then maybe the staff would find a way to utilize his athletic talent. Well he was no QB, but UConn wasted his time pretending. He did have talent, but UConn just couldn't/wouldn't get him out at WR to utilize it (because we had such great talent already there???).

Give him credit for leaving a bad situation and, boy, could we use him now.
He didn't want to be a receiver at Uconn. He could have gone a lot of places and been a scat back, w/o, punt returner, etc. He didn't come to Uconn for that. He came here on the promise that he would get the chance to play QB. When that chance disappeared, he took his talents elsewhere. So, we never had the chance to utilize his best talents, which we got to witness last night.
 
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Keep the faith BL...don't give in! You are spot on...with this though. Did you hit any traffic going home last night? I went 95 thinking I would avoid the paving on the Merrit..between New Haven 91/95 merge) and Stamford (was able to go through downtown though to get ahead of construction) it made the night worse!

LMAO. Two hours from Fairfield going on the Merritt. I said "I won't make that mistake twice" and took 91 to 95. And lost an hour at their intersection in New Haven.
This state sucks at so many things.
 
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I feel like we handed Hathaway ... and then Pasqualoni , a A rated Investment Grade company. We had all invested 10 years in it. We were happy & joyful. Eager to move on. We could make that 40,000 seat Fanbase & grow.

We now have a Junk Bond. What happened? It's not all that complex; but, in sports, it is everything. Mismanagement Bigtime. We have at least equal talent-wise kids. We actually are better in some positions. But ... it just looks simply putrid. Last night wasn't that different from many others. When I see DeLeone, I just want to go after him ... like I would if my financial advisors lost most all my money.
I watch DeLeone a lot from my position behind the Uconn bench. He is a fireball of energy, always talking to the kids, with a board in his hand, showing them photos, plays. The kids never really look at him or move in response to his animated style. He is clearly trying, but you can tell from the body language - he's lost them. The whole team's body language is just down, down, down. Football is a tribal thing; the tribe has to be hootin and hollerin and jumping up and down and ready to go take some scalps. Folks, we ain't hootin and hollerin. We ain't jumpin up and down. This is a management style issue, and our manager is just too old for this line of work . . .
 
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Are there more important things in life than football? Yes. When I get on the golf course in Vermont Sunday morning, will I have moved on with my life? Yes. But the joy in UConn football is gone for me. I wasn't excited coming into the stadium, because while I didn't expect to lose the game I did not share the general optimism that many here had.

If the new coach comes in and takes over a (god forbid) 2-10 team, I will root like heck the next two years even if we repeat 2-10 and then go 3-9. That is patience. I was patient in '05 and '06 (unlike others). But there is a difference between being patient, and being rewarded with every small step forward, versus rooting for a sinking ship. This ship has been sinking since the moment P took over, and called the third and long square out at Vandy. I supported not firing him the last two years because he had done enough to earn year 3, and I rooted like heck for him all that time. I might have been the only person in the stadium standing on every defensive third down last night. But it's now over. This is a lame duck season from here on in. I will have trouble getting up for games. Even the next two.

Well then, perhaps I'll have to break out some iron-chancellor type speech writing in the coming weeks. :)

I don't think I'll ever be able to say that I'm not excited walking into our football stadium, but who knows. I'm not there yet. Several more hours have passed since I woke this morning, and as I thought, my embarrassment is turning over to frustration and anger. There's nothing like a bad loss to get the troops motivated. You just can't keep having bad losses though and expect to get anywhere good. We've beaten a ranked opponent on the road in the past 2 years. We've gone on the road and beaten BCS programs. That kind of thing is new, and improved, but it's lost in sea of bad losses. Bad HOME losses. This kind of thing is new to UCONN football. We historically have done well at home at this level of competition and over the few years b/w 2003 and 2010 and were very weak on the road, but we managed to get a pretty good home atmosphere going as fans grew to expect to win at home, and the team delivered, but PP's management of this program is bringing that home field advantage down. That is what strikes me most about the current state of affairs.

I can deal with the highs and lows of wins and losses. There are very few teams that win every single game, and not that many every year get to double digit wins. (or double digit losses).

I was incredibly deflated today, because the stadium - simply doesn't have the feel of our stadium anymore and it's got nothing to do with trimmings, or the new unis, or any of that stuff - it's us - the fans. The stadium with it's scoreboard and lights, and banners and trimmings on the railings,etc. all looks great. I'd rather see a sea of people cheering in a close game to the end in a loss, rather than walk out of an empty stadium, and I'm not alone.

That happens when you win a lot more than you lose at home - and that's one thing that Randy Edsall to date, still stands head and shoulders above Pasqualoni - winning games at Rentschler Field. Pasqualoni, I still believe, has done good things, better things than Edsall, in things with the UCONN football program in building the kinds of recruiting foundations and recruiting procedures, etc. and that kind of thing is very important in being able to reach higher ceilings than Edsall was able to reach, and I think that's something we all need to focus on - what are the goals for this football program? The kinds of seasons that Edsall put together, seem like dream seasons right now, when you're looking up from where we are today, but they weren't the level that I think UCONN football should aspire to, that I hope that those in charge at the alma mater want to aspire to, and I do believe, and it won't change, that Pasqualoni has shifted the foundations a bit, such that higher ceilings can be reached - sorry about the darn cheesy cliché's.

I think with Maryland and Michigan back to back on the schedule, a head coaching change would be an incredibly ballsy thing to do, and the shrewd manager, that kind of Teflon type of guy always looking for an out to blame somebody else, probably would pull the trigger now, because if the season completely goes in the tank, and we get blown out by that kind of level of competition, in a season that dedicated fans have been waiting for, for a long time, there will be the excuses as to why - coaching change.

But I don't know Warde Manuel personally, or anyone else that would be in position to actually make and/or influence such decisions, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would make decisions based on things like that. The absolutely maddening thing is that we can go on the road and beat a Maryland, and a Louisville (we did that less than 12 months ago, and then lose at home to Towson, Temple, and Western Michigan. (almost frigging Buffalo too). That's what's killing this program's fans right now, losing at home.

I'd be shocked to see P dismissed unless the season is completely shot and there is not chance at a post season or title. But I'd bet anything that Warde Manuel is assembling his list. He'd be stupid not to.
 

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My energy and excitement for this season has been completely drained. I don't see us winning a single game this year and if that's the case, Warde might as well pull the trigger on PP and GDL now. Insert Weist as Interim Head Coach/OC, Hughes as Associate Head Coach/DC, and name a new OL coach. If Weist proves himself, extend him. If not, it's time to open up the UCONN vault and pay a real coach some loot.
 
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He didn't want to be a receiver at Uconn. He could have gone a lot of places and been a scat back, w/o, punt returner, etc. He didn't come to Uconn for that. He came here on the promise that he would get the chance to play QB. When that chance disappeared, he took his talents elsewhere. So, we never had the chance to utilize his best talents, which we got to witness last night.

And how'd that QB thing work out for him? Not even at the Colonial Conference level, huh? Coming out of H.S. he was not rated as a QB but as an athlete. That tells me and everyone else, that he probably could have played 2 or 3 other positions at the BCS level (just not QB). And then, once he comes to the awareness that probably isn't gonna be an astronaut either, he opts for the 1-AA program to be a receiver when he could have been doing that same at UConn? Anybody giving these kids a reality check?
 
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LMAO. Two hours from Fairfield going on the Merritt. I said "I won't make that mistake twice" and took 91 to 95. And lost an hour at their intersection in New Haven.
This state sucks at so many things.

Take the high speed rail next time. Oh wait.....
 

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Thanks for the post. I was wondering if you would do it, but I know better. You are a husky through and through.

The worst part for me is the lack of hope for the season. I've always been able to imagine some combination of things working out for us. I was thinking we could win the BE basketball after the SU game last year.

For the first time, I just feel like this is a sucky team. Not much talent. Not much fire. Not much focus. Not much to play for. Not much to watch for.

I've been reduced to hoping that we can crap on some other team's season rather than having a season ourselves.
 
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.........But no sane person should have pulled this trigger. Because now, with this having been opening night, I'm ready to point the thing at my own head.

Aint that the truth.

One viable move, after the Buffalo game on 9/28 fire PP and GD and hire Herman Edwards. Gives Herm 2 weeks to change the atmosphere and at least have a go for the balance of the season.
 
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Here is what I was rally disappointed in.

I thought that after two years of running around like chickens without a head on offense, that Weist would at least bring some stability. We still looked like we don't know what we are doing out there. They are looking at each other like Huh? The ball is on the 6 inch line and with 10 seconds to go on the play clock, and two downs left, and they are sending in subs. Instead of calling a time out they are trying to fool the other team on the half yard line. Try a trick play (QB sneak) with 4th and 6 inches and the guy fumbles the ball. They have timeouts. It looks exactly like it did last year. Weist made no impact on our ability to figure WTF we are doing out there. Like you said Biz, the opponents have a better understanding of what they are trying to do. The no huddle worked against us.

What the heck happened to the D Line and Backers. Twsn gained 4 yards on EVERY carry. I'll give the Oline and the secondary some slack. New guys, non starters. But to have the DLine and LB's get chewed up by a smaller Oline is pitiful. These guys have plenty of game experience and I was looking for domination. They should have been in the backfield on every play.

Whitmer looks the same. No change in his reaction to pressure. Great when he can stand there. No change when he gets rattled and things are closing in. Tuck and run Afraid to make a mistake.. You want a guy to stand in the pocket step up and make a play. I don't blame the entire mess on the Oline. Two guys wide open and he throws in the dirt. Stupid stupid fumble - not ready call and timeout. He looked more like the game one guy from the last year than the guy who had a great game against LVille. Do we still have Lagow's number?

The people around me just stood there with mouths open. Like it really can be worse than last year.

I am afraid to watch this debacle on ESPN3.

Give Ambrose credit. He coached a great game.
 

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First and foremost, I love UConn football.

I've had season tickets for 9 years, been to the last 4 bowl games and am the "die hard" in my season ticket group.

The joy of going to the games and rooting for a program that was going places has been completely drained from me during the P era.

It's not so much the losing, which does suck, it's the overall incompetence of a coaching staff and an athletic department that is seemingly ok with what is going on.

The losing is painful, the conference situation is bad, but what is worse is that aside from a couple hundred of us on here, nobody seems to even care.
 
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I'm going to try very hard to deal with the game as a game first, before I say what I'm really thinking. here goes.

You got it all right, Biz. At least someone did a good job with this game.

Entered The Rent full of enthusiasm and wonder. Exited it just hopeless and mortified.
 
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Got home, couldn't get to sleep, finally did and woke up at 4:30AM with this terrible feeling that I can best sum up as if a family member had died. Thankfully had to work today. I agree with the if we played them 10 times thought, they were flat out better. Who on our O-line would start for them? How about running back, QB? Whitmer can not make simple throws on the fly. His 1st half INT was thrown so quickly it seemed that he didn't even look to see if someone was in the passing lane and then he throws the ball at head height. The throw to the corner in the first half when Towson had one defender for our 2 receivers and he doesn't make the throw to the back corner of the endzone. The 12 men in the huddle, really? I saw S Stephen with his pad level too high getting knocked backward with his knees buckling. Taylor Mack again. We have a geriatric at the wheel getting advice from an older geriatric. The comments in the student view are telling about no interaction with PP. Then the comment about PP wandering around at practice, no energy etc. This guy needs to go, with his sidekick, Foley can coach the O-line, before the season ends. The sooner the better. Why wait? If the rows of aluminum shining in the night don't convince Warde then we have a bigger problem. I was amazed the students stayed till the end of the 3rd Q. If we haven't hit rock bottom I'd hate to see what is next. The view of PP standing alone on the sideline in the 4th Q, hand on hip staring at the field says it all. He's done.
 
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I had a good time seeing family and friends. I saw BL, which means it is football season again. The game was frustrating on many levels, especially because even when you throw out all of the other detailed analysis we were 4-5 less mistakes away from winning. But at the end of the day it is a game, and I will move on. I will be there screaming for all of the home games no matter what.

I will probably not go to any of the away games in favor of Packer games if this continues, but I will rep 241 (or 220 where i spend the second half sometimes) until the final whistle.

Even bad football is better than no football.
 
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