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So in 2006, my law firm had a weekend retreat that I had to miss a home game for. The game I missed was against Navy. So when my firm scheduled a weekend retreat for this weekend at the same location (the first time we've been there since '06), and then when the schedule came out again and Navy, at home, was scheduled for that weekend, I knew a bad omen when I saw one. Unfortunately, I was powerless to stop it from happening. So I didn't get to watch the game until today when I got home, after following play by play on my cell yesterday, and know that, deep down, I'm at fault for this one. My bad.

So what did I think of the game? A fairly classic half empty, half full dichotomy. If you want to see a glass half full, all you have to do is look at the stats. This is a quality team that we played, that is going to do a lot of damage this season, and the stats were largely even. Neither team made a lot of mistakes. Both teams moved the ball crisply, without running up huge amounts of total yardage. From the stats, it looked like the kind of game that would come down to about a dozen plays, and the team that made more of them would win. If you want to look at the glass as half empty, however, we never stopped them until they had the game in hand, and very simply they finished all 4 of their drives and we finished 2 of our 4, settling for one FG and one turnover on downs. Add that to their incredible third down conversion percentage (which they show every sign of doing against everyone by the way) and you have a game we struggled to stay in. The truth is, of course, in between. They were, and are, the better team, and that showed. In part, total yards is part of the game, but the other part is finishing drives. Bad offenses don't move the ball at all, o.k. offenses move it between the 20s and good offenses score TDs. We were an o.k. offense against their D. They didn't carve our D up -- they weren't busting big play after big play -- but they finished drives. On the other hand, there were plays and breaks there that didn't go our way. Thomas not grabbing the flea flicker thrown. The quick whistle on the fumbled kick off return (I don't know what happened under the pile, but I know the whistle and the call were too quick). Our drive that stalled on a call that Newsome's catch wasn't made, when it looks like it was. A missed tackle by Matt Walsh that could have stopped their last TD drive on third down. Give me a handful of plays back, and I could potentially give you a different result. But, as I've said many times, that can be said about most games that aren't blowouts. So the bottome line is we showed enough improvement that we can play the "what if" game (and the whiners can say "if the coaches had done this ..."), but we have a ways to go before we're as good a football team as Navy is. Would have liked to have won this one at home. It would have been a huge step towards a bowl game. But losing it isn't a set back to the direction of our rebuild in any way.

O.K., offense, defense and specials. It was a good game by Arkeel, and I thought he looked better than Ron Jon had by a good amount. I'd still like to see both of them used. This was the first real test for the OL, in terms of a D that was not ferocious but not pushover level either. I thought it was o.k. Some good pulls, and not constantly overpowered, but still too many sacks allowed and missed assignments on stunts. I think we now know that the OL is better than it was the last two years, but is still maybe the weakest unit on the team and will need to be improved next year when 9 of 10 on the two deep return along with Crozier. Love Beals. Lucas can't drop that ball, but wasn't targeted enough to learn much about. Thomas can't be left out of the game plan for such large stretches of the game -- it's too reminiscent of Davis last year. Finally, while he continues to really limit mistakes and ran well I thought Shirreffs does lock in to receivers and doesn't always find the right one. Yes, he's in his first year as a starter and will get better, but our offense isn't so good as to allow real opportunities for a big play to be missed. The O needed to be better.

On specials, good for Puyol shaking off everything, and the protections for being fine. Finally, Arkeel got some returns, but not enough blocking to give him a chance. Kick coverage was inconsistent. Good job by Thomas grabbing the on side kick, but a real lost opportunity on the fumbled punt (I think it was Floyd who had the shot at it but couldn't bring it in). But this game wasn't decided on specials.

On D, the effort wasn't as terrible as it seemed. We didn't do a bad job of keeping them contained -- just couldn't get off the field when we needed to. They execute the option very well, and our conservative play off it just didn't get it done. I don't know that anyone is going to stop them without having superior athletes on D who are just able to blow up some plays. I had hoped that we might be able to do that up front, but it didn't happen. I didn't think Walsh had a particularly good game, and Summers making a play on their TD throw could have changed everything (but he was one on one with half a field to cover -- it wasn't like he did something terrible).

As for coaching, some of the moaning about not stopping the option is just silly. No one without superior athletes is going to stop that option. Kicking the FG on 4th and 1 on the opening drive was fine, trying to play from ahead, although it would have been rational to go for it as well. The second call I really don't think was right or rational. We shouldn't have given up on stopping them ever after just one drive -- especially one that required third down conversions. So on 4th and 5, you take the 3. Had nothing else changed, those 3 points would have really kept us in the game the whole way. I would like to see us stop giving away points every game chasing long shots against the odds. But yesterday, they won not because of play decisions, but because we couldn't stop them and they stopped 2 of our 4 drives. That simple.

So its on to BYU which, between the opponent, the time, the short week with the long flight and time zone shift, and the altitude, adds up to maybe our toughest game of the year. I want to continue to play good, competitive football, but I think this will be a very hard game to win. And then, we get to week 6 and a stretch of conference games that will tell us how far we've come and how far we have left to go. I'm still ten toes in, and I will be even if the trip to Provo proves difficult. If you want me to start complaining about our play, you will have to wait until our trip to Orlando.
 
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Great write-up and agree with just about everything. Navy was the better team and deserved to win. However, we are definitely making progress and if a few different plays / calls (namely the fumble before halftime) go our way maybe we have a chance at pulling out at a win. Either way the last two losses have me optimistic about the future of the program. I'd like to see wins, but for now I'm happy with improvement.
 
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Am I the only one who remembers a sketchy "prior to the false start, timeout Navy" call deep in our territory I think on third down of one their scoring drives? With all the gripes about the refs that one is lost.
 
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Am I the only one who remembers a sketchy "prior to the false start, timeout Navy" call deep in our territory I think on third down of one their scoring drives? With all the gripes about the refs that one is lost.


The play clock expired. The referee called a delay of game penalty, and the ref on the sideline then walked over and said Navy called a TO right before it expired. Nothing sketchy there.
 

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In retrospect, I have no problem with the sequence of the 3 and 2 that became 4 th and 5. Why? Had we executed the fourth down play properly, we would have had a 1 st down or scored. If we ran the same play on 4 th and 2 - we would have had the same result.
 
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Its deja vu all over again. The coaching staff that can figure out how to get a UConn offense to score points in the 28 to 35 point range is going to win a lot of games here. We are spending quite a bit of time looking over at the sidelines while we figure out what play to run. The play clock was run down often in the second half and we were behind by 18 points for most of it.
 
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BL - you mention that Thomas can't be left out of the game plan for such long stretches of the game... I'm not sure it's intentional or just trying to find right combo of playmakers. They ran 63 plays yesterday (31 Rushing/32 passing w/ 19 completions). Of the 31 recorded rushing attempts, 16 were Shirreffs (Some may have been designed but still not good).

Jim Fuller had the following stats in one of his articles (the one Beals).
Arkeel Newsome 11 targets (5 catches for 51 yards)
Noel Thomas 9 targets (5 catches for 78 yards and almost came down with the pass on a flea flicker on first series)
Tyraiq Beals 8 targets (6 catches for 63 yards, TD; 1 run for 15 yards with screen)
Tommy Myers 2 targets (1 catch for 6 yards, TD)
Alec Bloom 1 target (1 catch for 11 yards)
Hergy Mayala 1 target (catch wiped out due to a holding penalty)
Aaron McLean 1 target (1 catch for 10 yards)
Thomas Lucas 1 target (no catches)
Max DeLorenzo 1 target (no catches)

Can't figure out on the passing downs who was primary target at times and who was a result of coverage progressions or just not seen/lost in the masses. People are saying that the TE's are not getting enough looks and everyone wants Thomas to get more targets. Not sure where they come from? Less touches for Newsome, less for Beals, less rushing attempts - then the noise starts about no touches for DeLorenzo, Johnson, not keeping defense honest, etc...?

Not a criticism, just an observation w/ not necessarily an answer.
 

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BL - you mention that Thomas can't be left out of the game plan for such long stretches of the game... I'm not sure it's intentional or just trying to find right combo of playmakers. They ran 63 plays yesterday (31 Rushing/32 passing w/ 19 completions). Of the 31 recorded rushing attempts, 16 were Shirreffs (Some may have been designed but still not good).

Jim Fuller had the following stats in one of his articles (the one Beals).
Arkeel Newsome 11 targets (5 catches for 51 yards)
Noel Thomas 9 targets (5 catches for 78 yards and almost came down with the pass on a flea flicker on first series)
Tyraiq Beals 8 targets (6 catches for 63 yards, TD; 1 run for 15 yards with screen)
Tommy Myers 2 targets (1 catch for 6 yards, TD)
Alec Bloom 1 target (1 catch for 11 yards)
Hergy Mayala 1 target (catch wiped out due to a holding penalty)
Aaron McLean 1 target (1 catch for 10 yards)
Thomas Lucas 1 target (no catches)
Max DeLorenzo 1 target (no catches)

Can't figure out on the passing downs who was primary target at times and who was a result of coverage progressions or just not seen/lost in the masses. People are saying that the TE's are not getting enough looks and everyone wants Thomas to get more targets. Not sure where they come from? Less touches for Newsome, less for Beals, less rushing attempts - then the noise starts about no touches for DeLorenzo, Johnson, not keeping defense honest, etc...?

Not a criticism, just an observation w/ not necessarily an answer.

Think it's just most of what Thomas got was when the game was over in the 4th quarter.

Best way for more targets... more first downs and more offensive plays overall?
 

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Anytime I start to get mad about this team I think about the train wreck it was last season. Navy is a good team and we looked like we belonged on the field with them. Diaco's decision maaking remains questionable (going for it on 4th and 5 in 1st half), but the team looks like a real football team which is a huge improvement on last year.
 

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I don't mind going for it on 4th and 5 because the play call was great - they had a guy wide open for a big gain and Bryant just missed him on an easy throw. If he makes that basic throw, nobody hates the call.

Plus, burning a TO on 4th and 1 just to kick it again would have been idiotic.
 
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So in 2006, my law firm had a weekend retreat that I had to miss a home game for. The game I missed was against Navy. So when my firm scheduled a weekend retreat for this weekend at the same location (the first time we've been there since '06), and then when the schedule came out again and Navy, at home, was scheduled for that weekend, I knew a bad omen when I saw one. Unfortunately, I was powerless to stop it from happening. So I didn't get to watch the game until today when I got home, after following play by play on my cell yesterday, and know that, deep down, I'm at fault for this one. My bad.

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I agree that @BYU is absolutely a brutal follow-up. I just want this team to stay motivated to improve and be competitive every game. We only need one of the next two to have a very good shot at 6 wins and a bowl. Lose them both and that will be tough.

Diaco is doing the right things to get this thing back on track. I still think he's a little nuts, but I think this program needs a little of that. If, if, if we can win back to back @UCF and USF, I think momentum carries us to 6-7 wins. That would be huge. Shirreffs has to stay healthy, ain't happening without him.
 
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I agree with your whole write-up (thank you for doing them this year by the way), albeit I liked them going for it on 4th down early because I felt we'd been moving the ball thus far and if we got it, it would have been game changing. With that being said, I'm going to go slightly out on a limb here and state that with all of the college football I have watched this year, Navy is a top 25 (20-25 zone) team and wouldn't be shocked if they had double digit wins this year.
 
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I don't mind going for it on 4th and 5 because the play call was great - they had a guy wide open for a big gain and Bryant just missed him on an easy throw. If he makes that basic throw, nobody hates the call.

Plus, burning a TO on 4th and 1 just to kick it again would have been idiotic.
I really think Delorenzo messed up his route here. It was 4th and 6 because we ran option on 3rd and 2.
 
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One play that impressed me was when a Navy had 4th down and tried some crazy back field motion with sudden starts and stops that made me dizzy but our D line didn't flinch. They ended up calling a TO and punting.
 
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I really think Delorenzo messed up his route here. It was 4th and 6 because we ran option on 3rd and 2.

That option play on third down and two (which lost yards) was very weird. Navy practices again the option every single day. Not exactly the big surprise the coaching staff thought it would be.
 
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On D, the effort wasn't as terrible as it seemed.

They scored touchdowns on every possession in the first half. Including a TD with 8 seconds left in the half. The defense could not have possibly been worse in the fist half.
 
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Usual great write up. This game was pretty much what I thought it would be. I think I was one of few who picked Navy. Are we better than last year? Sure. Good? Not really. It begins and ends with the offensive line in my view. It's better than last year but still pretty awful. And I think to some extent what I worried about with Shirrefs is that he'd get happy feet and there were some signs Saturday. As for locking in lots of college qbs do that. That's why very few get to the next level.
 
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Usual great write up. This game was pretty much what I thought it would be. I think I was one of few who picked Navy. Are we better than last year? Sure. Good? Not really. It begins and ends with the offensive line in my view. It's better than last year but still pretty awful. And I think to some extent what I worried about with Shirrefs is that he'd get happy feet and there were some signs Saturday. As for locking in lots of college qbs do that. That's why very few get to the next level.

Here I am agreeing with you again :) I think we learned how bad Mizzou's offense was the week prior and gave a little too much credit to our defense. Unless Navy is really that good, which we will see after a few more games. Until we manhandle someone on O and put up 30+ points we will be in lots of close games. And as we know, close games come down to a handful of plays.
 
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One disappointment. At the end of the game when we had chances for the offense the offense to get us back in the game, we couldn't stop the blitz. Even when Sherrifs saw he blitz coming and knew where to go, he was unable to make the throw to defeat it. Where were the slants and outs and check downs that could have made Navy pay?
 

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BL - you mention that Thomas can't be left out of the game plan for such long stretches of the game... I'm not sure it's intentional or just trying to find right combo of playmakers. They ran 63 plays yesterday (31 Rushing/32 passing w/ 19 completions). Of the 31 recorded rushing attempts, 16 were Shirreffs (Some may have been designed but still not good).

Jim Fuller had the following stats in one of his articles (the one Beals).
Arkeel Newsome 11 targets (5 catches for 51 yards)
Noel Thomas 9 targets (5 catches for 78 yards and almost came down with the pass on a flea flicker on first series)
Tyraiq Beals 8 targets (6 catches for 63 yards, TD; 1 run for 15 yards with screen)
Tommy Myers 2 targets (1 catch for 6 yards, TD)
Alec Bloom 1 target (1 catch for 11 yards)
Hergy Mayala 1 target (catch wiped out due to a holding penalty)
Aaron McLean 1 target (1 catch for 10 yards)
Thomas Lucas 1 target (no catches)
Max DeLorenzo 1 target (no catches)

Can't figure out on the passing downs who was primary target at times and who was a result of coverage progressions or just not seen/lost in the masses. People are saying that the TE's are not getting enough looks and everyone wants Thomas to get more targets. Not sure where they come from? Less touches for Newsome, less for Beals, less rushing attempts - then the noise starts about no touches for DeLorenzo, Johnson, not keeping defense honest, etc...?

Not a criticism, just an observation w/ not necessarily an answer.
Has to come out of Shirreffs rushing attempts - a vast majority were due to protection breakdowns and making something out of nothing.
 
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Thanks for the write up. Perceptive and insightful as usual.

It was a nice day at the stadium, hopefully more like that, a lot more, capped off with wins coming our way. There is positive energy around the program for sure. Just a little review from me. 4 games into the season we're 2-2. Prior to season start, I was legit worried about beating Villanova. Couldn't think of anything else. After that came legit worrying about being able to beat Army. Couldn't think of anything else. After that I just didn't want to see a team that looked like they their pants against Missouri on the road. Couldn't think of anything else. Didn't happen, they had clean underwear. After that, I was hopeful for a 3-1 start and 1-0 conference to this part of the season, which a month ago - was a pipe dream. Didn't happen. We got a Navy team, that the combination of senior leadership, experience, talent, and a football type of discipline and system that's just a machine, and we competed hard, but played a game that after the first few series, was never in doubt. 200 level offense and defense wasn't going to beat that Navy team, and I think pretty much everybody watching had that kind of feeling by halftime. If Diaco is good to his word, it's possible that Navy team will be the most difficult game we have on the schedule, unless we make it to the AAC championship game, and play - Navy.

But there was no quit - and with each possession, I still thought that maybe something good might happen. I wasn't walking out mid 3rd quarter. That's awesome. So - 2-2, and a team that is improved and competing.

So far, it's been a season of close games, where we are making far less mistakes than we were last season. We're putting ourselves in position to win, and we're batting .500. All I can do is look for the numbers of mistakes to continue to go down and get minimized, which in turns allows the play makers, to make plays, that can change games and win games.

BYU, is a team we can beat, but we'll need to do exactly that. We'll need to make less mistakes than they do, and have play makers, make some plays. We'll see, I expect at bare minimum to see a team that's going to compete from start to finish, and give them a run for their money - that's a bare minimum foundation that's always got to be there.

So - expecting the foundation to be there, and I do, is a lot better than just hoping to avoid a brown stain in the seat of the pants. It feels like we're on the road to recovery, but it's a long season. 2 more months to go. We'll see what October brings.
 
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Think it's just most of what Thomas got was when the game was over in the 4th quarter.

Best way for more targets... more first downs and more offensive plays overall?

1. THIS.

2. Thomas needs more chances to make plays than anyone. It didn't look to me like they looked for him enough for 3 quarters. That having been said, it's nice that we have players who people want to get touches.
 
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That option play on third down and two (which lost yards) was very weird. Navy practices again the option every single day. Not exactly the big surprise the coaching staff thought it would be.

Everyone within earshot in my section said exactly the same thing. If you want to surprise a team, don't give them a look that makes them feel comfortable.

Honestly, if you could swap two plays -- going for it when we kicked, and kicking it when we went for it -- our chances of winning the game would have gone up substantially. Throw in a stop with 2 seconds left in the half and we're right there.

But winning the game requires you to stop the other team, and you got the sense that Navy could have kept that 3rd down conversion streak going as long as they wanted. That was a very, very talented team with very, very good athletes at a lot of positions. Even when they had to pass on that first half TD, their WR got up like Calvin Johnson and just snatched the ball away from everybody, because he could.

I'm expecting them to do a number on Notre Dame in two weeks and the rest of the country may be surprised. We won't.
 
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Usual great write up. This game was pretty much what I thought it would be. I think I was one of few who picked Navy. Are we better than last year? Sure. Good? Not really. It begins and ends with the offensive line in my view. It's better than last year but still pretty awful. And I think to some extent what I worried about with Shirrefs is that he'd get happy feet and there were some signs Saturday. As for locking in lots of college qbs do that. That's why very few get to the next level.

All well said.
 
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