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Ugh. Needed two days to even recover emotionally to where I could write this. There was some brief talk about what a comp loss might be to this. Credit to my younger son, but the answer is the ‘09 loss relatively early in the season at Pitt. We were underdogs, we played absolutely great and we were up 27-14 in the 4th quarter. And then Pitt went on back to back long, time consuming TD drives, with a 3 and out for us in between. Their offense never overwhelmed us — we “contained” all the way down the field, but star TB Dion Lewis and his teammates kept converting 3rd down after 3rd down, and when the game ended we had lost 28-27. That’s the best comp loss, although I doubt the “odds” that we’d end up on top were never quite as high as they were on Saturday. Anyway, let’s do offense, defense and specials, and then I’ll conclude with WTF happened.

Let’s start with defense. For 53 minutes, it was a really terrific. Remember, we came into the season needing to replace TEN defensive starters with little idea about how good we might be, and the effort against Central was fine but it didn’t show as much. Well, Saturday did. The run defense was beyond exceptional, so much so that for most of the game the Orange simply gave up even trying. We generated a consistent pass rush with sacks and deflected balls. And, while we certainly gave up some passing yardage (which will happen when a team throws every down), going into the last 7 minutes we had only give up 9 points, 3 of which were on the long snapper and not the D. And then, on a 4th and 4 from the middle of the field, everything fell apart. I wish I knew what Cam Chadwick was thinking on that play when he stopped running with the WR with the ball in the air. He was with the WR, where a perfectly thrown ball might have been a catch but for a 20 yard gain. Did he think he was supposed to have help deep (but why would he stop running anyway once the ball was thrown deep)? Did he slip? Did he misread the ball? What happened. And was the bad angle that Mills took (because Mills was unworldly the whole game but for that play) because he thought Chadwick thought the ball was under thrown? Because from that moment on, the D looked lost. Whether they ran out of gas, whether Syracuse played with confidence, the D’s performance ended with that one play. (I’m not excusing that — just noting it).

The offense, even building a 17-6 lead, was never great. But it was o.k. Great execution of a trick play. No turnovers. And enough success to allow the D to win us the game. BUT, after the first drive of the second half it just stopped. The OL, particularly, started getting overwhelmed, both on passes and runs, and we gave up chance after chance after chance to put the game away. I don’t think it was mostly JF. He was who he was — solid but not great, and he escaped pass rushes that could have brought him down many times. But people didn’t make plays. Honing dropped a wide open easy catch that could have been the difference between winning and losing. Porter, who may have had his best game as a Husky, made a nice run with a swing pass on third and long and softly ran out of bounds two yards short of the sticks without putting his shoulder down and trying to get a first down out of it. Penalties. Just not enough execution. And, while the defense played much better than I would have anticipated, I thought our offense could do better than it did. At least maintain the way it played for 35 minutes for the rest of the game.

Special teams, but for, was great. But we either need to change long snappers or get Christinat a hypnotist, because this time his unforced error may have cost us a huge game. But solid kicking and punting and no coverage issues. And, as I said in another thread, I admire Jackson Harper’s guts and desire to make a play, but before he coughs up a punt that should have been fair caught, he needs to better understand when one doesn’t have a chance to make a play.

O.K., so what happened at the end? In the aftermath of such an unbelievably horrid loss, I wanted to blame the offensive play calling for being too conservative, but after reviewing the play by play I don’t think that’s fair. If you want to blame the coaches, wonder if that attitude that came from them was wrong — that they were signaling that with ten minutes left all we had to do was not make big mistakes and the players grabbed that attitude. Or ask if Sammis couldn’t have found one or two more plays where something worked. But to be fair, mostly we lost that game because the players, who executed so well for 53 minutes, couldn’t execute. The long TD catch that changed the game and momentum wasn’t on the coaches. Two defenders were there to make a play and blew it. The coaches didn’t make Honig drop the ball, or JF miss an open receiver in the first half, or get penalized, or Porter not fighting for a first down. The players, who were more than good enough for 53 minutes, stopped being good enough. That’s why we lost. If the coaches want to really reexamine something fundamental, I do think the staff has shown a tendency to stop playing hard a little too early in what appear to be easy wins. And as an independent in our slot, every game you lose (or win) can’t be undone, like in basketball where one regular season loss may be of no long term consequence. But good came from the loss to Pitt in ‘09, as it was Marcus Easlely’s break out game and for the rest of the year with his presence our offense became as explosive as any time since Dan O moved on. So on to Delaware. We will be substantial favorites the next two weeks, before heading to Buffalo.

And one last thought. What Fran Brown does with his team after he beats us is up to Fran Brown. Was it showboating? Sure. But if you think he’s a bad winner your solution is to not lose to him.
 
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Good call by your son on 09 Pitt. Apt comparison. Was going to chime in that was the infamous Easley break out but you had it covered.

Not that one win swings anything in realignment but those Big East losses were easier to digest to some degree given our (in theory) conference security.

Think this week at U Del is a huge spot for the program.
 
Awesome job Biz. Can't quite put my finger on what was missing from the secret sauce in the last quarter or so. Almost like 2 kids fighting. The kid who was winning didn't want to hurt the other kid too bad. All of a sudden the likely loser rears up and head butts the top kid in the nose. Blood, tearing eyes and intense pain ensue. Bottom guy takes over and top guy finally says "Uncle". Shoulda busted him when he was down. Stupid analogy maybe, but I remember being in that fight oh so many years ago. Coulda shoulda woulda. On to Delaware, Go Huskies!!
 
For the love of God can we put people on the field to block the gunners and those running up the center of the field so we can return a punt? Harper did a good job catching the punts but was hammered. This has been a multiyear ongoing issue. In the second half Cuse punter short legged one so Harper could not get to it and it rolled to put us poor field position. Being ticked off about losing will not be enough against Delaware. Our offense needs to play much better at all positions. Fagnano has to be better at recognizing if he can get a first down running when he leaves the pocket.
 
I still vividly remember that Pitt game (and how pissed off i was that we let it slip away) and it is a very good comparison, especially in how in each case part of what we were trying to do was show that we belonged while most still viewed us as a very subpar program.

I'm still irked about their first TD, but I'm more angry with the defensive call than the CB's faux pas. I get the idea of stopping them from moving the chains, but at that a quick score (which the all our blitz led to) was the one thing that would have hurt us most. The prior series we fluffed a blitz and dropped eight in coverage, leading to an interception.

What that play reminded me of was the loss at Rutgers the following year where we outplayed them for the bulk of the game, didn't score enough and a 4th qtr long td pass where the CB lost the receiver & the safety took a bad angle on double coverage (not dissimilar to the first post Jazz home game a year earlier).

There were miscommunications on that play. The CB should have remained with the WR and the safety should have been a few yards deeper.

Hopefully we learn from this.
 
Good summation.
I mentioned in another thread shade can be thrown at Jimmy and Joe and at X and O.
And neither side can wipe their hands clean if the loss.
Point. Counterpoint.

Everyone needs to look in the mirror to get just one play better.

One bad long snap.
Underthrown ball to wide open WR.
Dropped balls on easy passes.
Blown coverage on 4th down.
 
With 48 hours passed by, am I allowed to vent, that although the refs weren't bad, #13 on UConn was definitely held on the corner during 'cuses 2nd TD?

Chadwick definitely would have been in position to make the tackle.
 
I still vividly remember that Pitt game (and how pissed off i was that we let it slip away) and it is a very good comparison, especially in how in each case part of what we were trying to do was show that we belonged while most still viewed us as a very subpar program.

I'm still irked about their first TD, but I'm more angry with the defensive call than the CB's faux pas. I get the idea of stopping them from moving the chains, but at that a quick score (which the all our blitz led to) was the one thing that would have hurt us most. The prior series we fluffed a blitz and dropped eight in coverage, leading to an interception.

What that play reminded me of was the loss at Rutgers the following year where we outplayed them for the bulk of the game, didn't score enough and a 4th qtr long td pass where the CB lost the receiver & the safety took a bad angle on double coverage (not dissimilar to the first post Jazz home game a year earlier).

There were miscommunications on that play. The CB should have remained with the WR and the safety should have been a few yards deeper.

Hopefully we learn from this.
I’ll just say this — I don’t fault the coaching on the long TD pass. It was 4th and 4, we win the game if we stop them, we had had success all game pressuring the QB AND we had two defenders who at the least should have been able to tackle the WR for a 20 yard game. I’m still not sure what Chadwick was thinking there or how it happened. It’s not like the loss to Rutgers in ‘09 where Aaron friggin Bagsby took out Reggie McLean while misplaying the pass. I’m not even sure what the error was there.
 
We're still a bit under-sized and less skilled, but the gap feels like it's closing. I took my son up to the dome - and it felt like we were going to sneak in a win - with a few good bounces and terrific effort. I say sneak - just haven't reached the point where I felt comfortable at any point against quality opponents...they've learned how to win again, just not the big games. The overdose on Cam near the end was a bit frustrating. I wish we were big enough to ground and pound a la Dixon in South Bend, but that's just not the case. More quick hits to Bell like they ran on that last FG drive - or doing something more creative with the run...bring in Evers and Smith so that there are three options rather than just one. Missed opportunity for sure, but I am thankful it wasn't like a Maryland performance.
 
Great write up as always Biz. Much more even handed, predictively, than the heated rhetoric after the game.

We are getting better as a team, but we still don't have a lot of margin. Particularly against P4 teams, we need pretty much everything to go right for us. I feel that way about Joe in particular. He's a decent quarterback, who got us to a bowl game last year and won it, but against tougher competition small mistakes become more visible.

Learning to win is a process. We're getting there and hopefully this game will stick in everyone's craw, the coaches, the playing staff, everyone. You can't let up until the final whistle is blown. Most people had this game as a loss for us. It's disappointing how it came out, because it definitely was winnable, hopefully this is an inflection point for us. Well, let's win the games we're supposed to win and we have our shots against BC and Duke.
 
I’ll just say this — I don’t fault the coaching on the long TD pass. It was 4th and 4, we win the game if we stop them, we had had success all game pressuring the QB AND we had two defenders who at the least should have been able to tackle the WR for a 20 yard game. I’m still not sure what Chadwick was thinking there or how it happened. It’s not like the loss to Rutgers in ‘09 where Aaron friggin Bagsby took out Reggie McLean while misplaying the pass. I’m not even sure what the error was there.
The Rutgers game i was referring to was the one at Rutgers, one year after the Bagsby incident.
 
The Rutgers game i was referring to was the one at Rutgers, one year after the Bagsby incident.
Yes, I got that. I was just using the play on the home loss as a contrast. I GET how we blew that play. Aaron Bagsby just screwed up the angle in a horrific way. I don’t get what Cam Chadwick was thinking when he stopped running.
 
I am not in the camp that we went to a vanilla offense to protect the lead. In the 4th quarter, it would have been hard to bring in Evers for something different. Those plays often come with turnovers. It really was down to the kids executing with maybe a few different calls being made. Ultimately, you can't go 3 and out for most of a half and expect the D to hold Syracuse at the dome the whole game. I give kudos to the offense for tying the game. Bell showed out big, he needed a little more help. Also, on the Brown vs Edwards debate- Edwards is the ground out a first down RB who has been very good since we made him our RB. Brown has that twitch for breaking one. I had no problem with Edwards getting those carries.

After watching the Ravens blow one at Buffalo last night, these things happen at all levels of football.
 
As always a good and balanced perspective from Biz. Thanks.

Mora has done a remarkable job. He inherited a program in the abyss and in a very short period of time has it playing competitive football with some good programs. We're still at a competitive disadvantage being outside the P4, but even with that this staff appears to be using the portal very well and then coaching the players up.

I fully expect us to go bowling this season with 7-8 wins. If we get hot and knock off one of Duke or BC that would be pretty cool and 9-10 wins will be on the table.
 
One other point. I watched a lot of the Cuse v Tenn game the prior week. The Cuse ran fairly well against Tenn and their back Willis is solid. We essentially shut their running game down. That surprised me and if that is an indication that our front seven will gell then we are going to have a solid defense. That could bode very well for a successful season.
 
Excellent review. I agree with everything. This was a painful loss. Here is my basic analysis. Some people won’t want to hear it but here goes. We are a G5 program. We need to play close to a perfect game to beat almost any P4 one. We cannot make crucial mistakes. We made too many. Syracuse has more talent than we do. They have more resources. They have better players. We are getting closer but we are not there yet.

And Fran Brown is a punk. You don’t embarrass an opponent just to show how tough you are.
 
If our defense keeps it up we may win out. We only lost this game because we made some bad decisions and went away from aggression. We have the players. Hopefully, no confidence has been lost. This is a good football team that lost a game it had no business losing. It happens.
 
sort of off topic, but UMass lost to Bryant this weekend. I only bring them up here because as I've read in the responses above, we all recognize that while we're not where we want to be, we are certainly not where we were. the bad press is out of our control and I now see that uconn haters on twitter and in the podcast world will ALWAYS hate uconn and seek to torpedo our chances at finding a P4 home, no matter how well we do. it's almost like it's their sole mission (collusion?) to ensure uconn football is branded with a scarlet letter, forever.

conspiracy theories aside, my original point is I still use UMass as a comparison point of where we may have been today. we were surely on that trajectory when i became a fan in 2021, and honestly if we were still losing 59-3 to (pretty mediocre) teams like Syracuse today, I may have (for the first time) bailed on a football team i chose to follow.

despite this past weekend, i'm happy and thankful UConn football is breathing. maybe this resurrection process is taking longer than some may have hoped (surely i'm one of those), but the husky has licked its wounds, and is now regaining its footing.
 
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I still believe the play calling in the 4th was vanilla. I was yelling at the TV that you can't run it every time. You need a balanced attack so teams don't sit on the run. I first noticed it between the 8 and 9 minute mark. That's way too early to run clock with a multitude of runs.
 
I agree with just about all of 241 post. Really almost nothing to disagree on. BUT . . . something began to change late in 3rd quarter - a subtle shift. I even commented to the people who I was with watching the game - "don't stop playing like you want to shove the ball down their throat", "don't start giving receivers so much cushion". It was gradual at first, but it began to expand to 'playing not to lose". Can't get away from that. If building this program is a process, then overcoming the urge to wind down the clock too early.
 

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