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Message: [QUOTE="DefenseBB, post: 2588517, member: 7492"] I hope you find my dialogue as just that- a dialogue and not me impugning your views as opposed to gaining clarity of fact and perspective. I can't speak to all the vacating of wins that coaches and institutions have endured (Boheim, Paterno etc) but in this case I 100% believe it was warranted. I don't think every case involves vacating wins-certainly the UNC case didn't have to vacate wins (they didn't do anything which was also wrong as something should have been done). You know full well "any benefit" or any infraction does not result in vacating wins. The audacity and blatantness in this case warrants this penalty as I have said. Think of Reggie Bush having to vacate the Heisman due to his illegal recruitment and compensation while playing. The 5 game penalty as you noted, was also, to me, far too light as well. But with his firing and the probability he will be banned from the NCAA, I don't think we have to worry about his standing on the sideline of the NCAA for rest of his career. The assistant who did this was fired and as stated the school imposed its own ban so yes, additional limits were self monitored/imposed. [/QUOTE]