The elbow/flagrant foul rule has to change

[Fishy]

It's encouraging muggings in the hope that the offensive player has no room and has to make contact with his elbows just to move the ball.

Second, and perhaps worse, the five-minute stoppages to view the monitor are ridiculous.

It's a bad rule poorly implemented.

 

[BoatShow]

It's a horrible rule. Should some of these instances be flagrants? Yes, but roughly 97 percent of the time it's incidental and caused by the defense not giving the offense room to make a play. They should be handled on a play-by-play basis, this whole "everytime..." malarkey is well malarkey.

 

[tzznandrew]

This game has been fun...but that really hurt it.

Incidental contact. Play on.

 

[patrick]

Too many called this tournament so far!

 

[Bryan Lord]

Agreed this is turning into a theme. Too many monitor stoppages and elbow rule has been exposed as fraudulent.

 

[Jimdish255]

It's no coincidence more guys are getting hit in the face or at least pretending to. They're being rewarded for sticking chins in front of elbows, and they are.

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

Wolf was called for one of those during the middle of the season...and it was absolute BS.

The way you're taught to rebound in middle school is to secure the ball with elbows out, so people can't swipe at it. Now tech's are being called when a guy comes up from behind and runs into an elbow. very silly.

 

[housekeys]

It's encouraging muggings in the hope that the offensive player has no room and has to make contact with his elbows just to move the ball.

Second, and perhaps worse, the five-minute stoppages to view the monitor are ridiculous.

It's a bad rule poorly implemented.

As long as the rules are drawn to reward "good defense", the game will deteriorate, scores go lower, and players get hurt. All advantage and judgement should err on the side of the offensive player, IMO. It is not unfair; both teams will have the same offensive "advantage". Good basketball skills are nullified too easily by rough and overly aggressive play. It needs to stop, IMO. It will not, because I represent the minority.

 

[zls44]

Start calling hand-checks. Solves most of the problems with scoring and elbows.

 

[partial]

I always thought the offensive player should have enough room to hold the above his head firmly and turn, if you want to stick your head in there to take the ball do so at your own risk. Jeff Adrien used to do this all the time.

 

[Perspective]

Wolf was called for one of those during the middle of the season...and it was absolute BS.

No it wasn't. He gave the guy a good shot to the face. I remember it well. I like his fight. I want him back. But. No apologies - he stuck his elbow in the guy's face to send a message.

Sometimes - you have to send a message.

This is one reason I REALLY want Wolf back. Dude is fearless and has an edge, and, as far as I can tell, a Laetner should good elbowed in the face by an angry Sellers every once in a while to keep the universe balanced.

 

[Tenspro2002]

The one of these that bothered me was called against Giffey in the Georgetown(?) game. He got tied up, arguably fouled, fighting for a rebound, swung his arm up to clear space and untangle himself and caught the other guy in the face. Completely incidental. Two shots and the ball. Ridiculous.

I agree with Fishy. The constant stoppages are ridiculous.

 

[Gurleyman]

No it wasn't. He gave the guy a good shot to the face. I remember it well. I like his fight. I want him back. But. No apologies - he stuck his elbow in the guy's face to send a message.

Sometimes - you have to send a message.

This is one reason I REALLY want Wolf back. Dude is fearless and has an edge, and, as far as I can tell, a Laetner should good elbowed in the face by an angry Sellers every once in a while to keep the universe balanced.

Wolf isn't coordinated enough to send messages. If he tried, he'd find a way to elbow himself in the face.

 

[UCfor3]

Agree Fishy. The rule as it is being implented is not working. I'd also like to add that the refs nowadays can't tell the difference between a block and a charge. It's almost the equivalent of pass interference in football. I get it happens fast but it seems like the refs relish calling a charge a bit too much for my taste. It seems like 80% of the contact plays result in a charge call. It has almost gotten to the point of being a crowd pleaser that has more to do with perception than reality.

 

[Kitaman]

With all these monitor reviews it made me wonder what an infuriated Calhoun would do with his internal fury while idle for five minutes.

Man I miss him.

 

[mauconnfan]

No it wasn't. He gave the guy a good shot to the face. I remember it well. I like his fight. I want him back. But. No apologies - he stuck his elbow in the guy's face to send a message.

Sometimes - you have to send a message.

This is one reason I REALLY want Wolf back. Dude is fearless and has an edge, and, as far as I can tell, a Laetner should good elbowed in the face by an angry Sellers every once in a while to keep the universe balanced.

Wrong he has a right to protect the ball and that is basketball as I remember, awful call. The elbows were not outside of legal, were not thrown but instead just straight up then an outlet pass. If you reach, throw your face in after a rebound you shouldn't be protected as a defender, get back on D.........

 

[WillB4]

A few that I saw were 'after the fact' calls.
The worst was in the Zags v. W St. Dude lines up. weighs in and puts the elbow right into Olynck's neck. Should have been a #2, but no, #1.
If your gonna call it get it right.

 

[Perspective]

Wolf isn't coordinated enough to send messages. If he tried, he'd find a way to elbow himself in the face.

You're wrong.
Wolf is well coordinated, and particularly so for a 7 footer.
He has very soft hands. He catches the ball very well. He doesn't give it back after he gets his 2 hands on it. He passes very well. He has a very soft shot, particularly for a 7 footer.

You've confused "slow footed" and "no jump" with "uncoordinated."

His coordination is quite good.