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Message: [QUOTE="Steelerone, post: 3707970, member: 8313"] I saw Willie play at Forbes Field more years ago than I care to remember. Forbes Field was a cavernous stadium with a center field over over four hundred feet. The best two center fielders I ever say play there were Mays and Bill Virdon. Dick Groat was on third when a long fly ball was it to Mays in center. He backed up on the catch so he was actually running in, caught it and threw a dart to home plate. Groat had tagged and 99 times out of a hundred would have been safe. Willie Mays was a one of the few five tool players ever to play the game and his throw bounced once around the pitchers mound and settled into the catchers mitt. Groat was out. They both came up around the same time, both were playing in New York and the debate among baseball fans was always "Mantle or Mays". That was a testament to their greatness. [/QUOTE]