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Ball is listed at 6'3' but probably is closer to 6'1.5" too. Thus Castle has 4 inches on him. That is a lot.
Not bashing Mahaney, but I was really surprised that Dan Hurley, who loves big guards, lost Newton, Spencer and Castle and looking at Ball, Diarra and Nowell, all generously listed at 6'3" or less and decided to bring in Mahaney. It was a curious decision. I doubt any of our guards are really even 6'2".
 
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Mahaney actually played great defense last night. Analytically he was one of the best players on the floor, offensively and defensively. Ball was net negative on both ends.

Everyone wants to slot Mahaney into the ever-overused “Joey Calcaterra” role, but that role fits Ball better.
I know nothing about bball analytics, but I saw Mahaney get blown by at least 4 times....that ain't good defense imo. what happens when he has to guard Kidary???? I'm glad he finally got a few key baskets, but I have no idea how you say he played GREAT defense. Liam on the other hand won that game for us
 
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Don't forget Roach went to the bench injured so they were down both starting guards. That was good for us since Memphis guards were more athletic and beat us. Whew, so glad we got the W!
really good point about both guards...
 
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Not bashing Mahaney, but I was really surprised that Dan Hurley, who loves big guards, lost Newton, Spencer and Castle and looking at Ball, Diarra and Nowell, all generously listed at 6'3" or less and decided to bring in Mahaney. It was a curious decision. I doubt any of our guards are really even 6'2".

I thought it was really telling that when Dan Hurley commented on our incoming recruits he said repeatedly how the three "guards" were all big and will enable them to play the lob game again.
 
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I know nothing about bball analytics, but I saw Mahaney get blown by at least 4 times....that ain't good defense imo. what happens when he has to guard Kidary???? I'm glad he finally got a few key baskets, but I have no idea how you say he played GREAT defense. Liam on the other hand won that game for us
Yeah Mahaney is still our worst Defender or at least 1a and 1b with Ball. The two can't play extended time on the perimeter at the same time. That is why I think Hurley needs to incorporate Nowell more into the lineup to give us better balance. I know Nowell is still learning but not sure playing Diarra extended minutes to help cover the other defensives deficiencies is a good long term solution.
 

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I know nothing about bball analytics, but I saw Mahaney get blown by at least 4 times....that ain't good defense imo. what happens when he has to guard Kidary???? I'm glad he finally got a few key baskets, but I have no idea how you say he played GREAT defense. Liam on the other hand won that game for us
I saw a few times guards driving to his left (to the right if watching TV), and that is used to make sure he fouls or he screens the post player we have. That would nominally be where AK would help, but without him, that was Baylor's plan. It wasn't all against Maheney, but others as well.

We could not get weakside help from Johnson as he patrols up the 3 line and is not often in position to help like Reed would be.

Anyway, Maheney did the right thing and did not foul, expected weak side help, but didn't get it. That cannot be all on Maheney though this is team D.
 
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question: where do think our Drtg will be around the time we enter the Big East Tournament? What does it have to be to seriously consider sweet 16 round appearance in NCAA tournament
 

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I thought it was really telling that when Dan Hurley commented on our incoming recruits he said repeatedly how the three "guards" were all big and will enable them to play the lob game again.
The system, with all our passing and off ball screens, doesn't work so well with small guys who can't cleanly pass the ball around or over defenders. Means we have to dribble more that is ideal.
 
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question: where do think our Drtg will be around the time we enter the Big East Tournament? What does it have to be to seriously consider sweet 16 round appearance in NCAA tournament

If you look at last year, DRtg ranged from 1 (Iowa St) to 111 (Alabama) for the Sweet 16 teams. Mean was 26, Median was 14. There were 6 teams with a DRtg of 24 or higher (Creighton, Clemson, NC State, Gonzaga, Illinois, Alabama).

I have no idea where we will end up as we have a 9 game sample that puts us at 92. If our offense continues to get better as the season progresses (highly likely, currently KenPom #5), we probably can tolerate a final rating somewhere in the 30-50 range to be legitimately competitive enough to have a good chance to make it to the 2nd weekend?

That would take shaving about 4 off our current 101.1 DRtg. Seems pretty doable?
 
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I also watched the Creighton-Kansas and Duke-Auburn games last night.

If it's any consolation, we're not the only team that can't reliably keep guards from driving into the lane. It happened frequently in both those games.

Like I said previously, if we can cut it down by 50% per game, we'll be cooking again!
 
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If you look at last year, DRtg ranged from 1 (Iowa St) to 111 (Alabama) for the Sweet 16 teams. Mean was 26, Median was 14. There were 6 teams with a DRtg of 24 or higher (Creighton, Clemson, NC State, Gonzaga, Illinois, Alabama).

I have no idea where we will end up as we have a 9 game sample that puts us at 92. If our offense continues to get better as the season progresses (highly likely, currently KenPom #5), we probably can tolerate a final rating somewhere in the 30-50 range to be legitimately competitive enough to have a good chance to make it to the 2nd weekend?

That would take shaving about 4 off our current 101.1 DRtg. Seems pretty doable?
It’s not only the blow-by’s that are frustrating, it’s also the rebounding help. Does anyone know the number of rebounds by our 1 & 2 guards through the first nine games this year vs last year. It may be comparable, but it sure feels like our guards got more last year.
 
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I also watched the Creighton-Kansas and Duke-Auburn games last night.

If it's any consolation, we're not the only team that can't reliably keep guards from driving into the lane. It happened frequently in both those games.

Like I said previously, if we can cut it down by 50% per game, we'll be cooking again!
Is there a change in how refs are calling the game making it harder to defend dribble penetration? I've heard more than once that off-ball defenders must be set well before the offense player initiates contact. The eye test seems to support that and even some on-the-ball defenders aren't getting charging calls like last season. Ball used to get that call last season if my memory serves me, but seems to be getting called for blocking just about every time this season.

With that said, the eye test tells us, our individual and team D is subpar, even though the officiating seems to be particularly bad in some of our games. This team simply isn't good or consistent enough at this point to overcome some bad calls, which will happen. Let's hope they can improve.
 

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The perimeter D is worse than last year, no question.

Guess what else is worse? The rim protection and rotations.

Guys like Ball and Mahaney may get beat, just like Newton or Spencer may have, but the rest of the D isn’t up to last year’s level…yet.

Probably won’t ever, but certainly not at this stage. That’s making our perimeter D look even worse.
Another thing we miss is an effective screener
 

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Is there a change in how refs are calling the game making it harder to defend dribble penetration? I've heard more than once that off-ball defenders must be set well before the offense player initiates contact. The eye test seems to support that and even some on-the-ball defenders aren't getting charging calls like last season. Ball used to get that call last season if my memory serves me, but seems to be getting called for blocking just about every time this season.

With that said, the eye test tells us, our individual and team D is subpar, even though the officiating seems to be particularly bad in some of our games. This team simply isn't good or consistent enough at this point to overcome some bad calls, which will happen. Let's hope they can improve.
Yes, they mentioned it on one of the broadcasts last night. Said refs were visiting teams but that players were struggling to adapt to it. I don't like it. Especially if it's being called a block rather than just a no-call. Rewarding players for blindly crashing into defenders doesn't improve the game.
 
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Came here to post this. You beat me to it. Our eye test perception has been validated.
Surprising our worst three graded defenders are the sophomore class. What were they doing all last year when watching the 4th best KP defense roll to a NC? I would actually classify best given the missed time of DC and SC.

You do wonder if there is something to how a freshman psyche shapes being on the gravy train between B2B. Must be fun, but not a lot of grit through hardship being built.

Coincidence or 3 misses?
 

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Surprising our worst three graded defenders are the sophomore class. What were they doing all last year when watching the 4th best KP defense roll to a NC? I would actually classify best given the missed time of DC and SC.

You do wonder if there is something to how a freshman psyche shapes being on the gravy train between B2B. Must be fun, but not a lot of grit through hardship being built.

Coincidence or 3 misses?
This is what I suggested earlier. Those 3 all have skills. They all sat for a year. They all have heavy competition at their positions. So they try to do too much at times. Shoot too early, go for the steal instead of just playing straight up D, it's a misunderstanding of what will get them on the court.
 

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Basketball is no longer like Hoosiers where you want to just smell what gum the other guy is chewing. Even base man-to-man defenses have complicated reads, traps, weak side fills, and rotations, and Hurley’s seem particularly complex.

Unlike many on this board, I don’t have a quick fix other than play more junk defenses, which only works for stretches of a game, if it works at all.

UConn’s team defense is worse than its individual defense, if that is possible. I got nothing other than out scoring the opponent, because lots of stops do not seem likely.

Hurley is playing some half court trap defenses, at times, and they aren't working. That is the "break glass" solution for coaches whose teams are struggling defensively, and this team doesn't seem able to even do that.

I am at a loss for how to make this better other than lots of practice time.
 
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Hurley is playing some half court trap defenses, at times, and they aren't working. That is the "break glass" solution for coaches whose teams are struggling defensively, and this team doesn't seem able to even do that.

I am at a loss for how to make this better other than lots of practice time.
Right now there are 3 options:

1) Find right rotation
2) Develop players, level up
3) New strategy/gimmicks that disguise and play to strengths
 

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HuskyHawk and RuffRuff are saying the same thing - these guys need time on the court to gel more. It is expected. It was always tough to ask them to transition perfectly.

But, also, there's no world (as has been suggested by some) where getting them random minutes last year in hopes it would help further their development would have been the right thought process - last year they were trying to win a championship, it's not on the staff to ensure the frosh get PT to hopefully develop the next year.

That's on them when they get the chance. So far, they haven't lived up to it, but it's so early that it should be expected they'll struggle a bit to adjust to the larger roles.
 
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Right now there are 3 options:

1) Find right rotation
2) Develop players, level up
3) New strategy/gimmicks that disguise and play to strengths
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Right now there are 3 options:

1) Find right rotation
2) Develop players, level up
3) New strategy/gimmicks that disguise and play to strengths
options 1 and 2 I think are the only choices. Playing by utilizing gimmick defenses takes time to execute well. Without the practice, those gimmick defenses won't be executed correctly and will just lead to easy baskets. It's probably better to just spend more time with the core man-to-man principles and some 2-3 zone principles, and that's it for defenses.
 

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I know nothing about bball analytics, but I saw Mahaney get blown by at least 4 times....that ain't good defense imo. what happens when he has to guard Kidary???? I'm glad he finally got a few key baskets, but I have no idea how you say he played GREAT defense. Liam on the other hand won that game for us
Not sure what game you were watching. Maybe the first drive of the game he had trouble, then he was fine.

Analytics back that up.
 
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