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Message: [QUOTE="nelsonmuntz, post: 5329243, member: 833"] He had 6 seasons where he was really good and another where he was solid. I think he made 5 all star teams. Lasorda was always brutal on his starters, overusing them and burning them out. I also think it is 50/50 that Valenzuela was 21 in 1981. There were rumors that he was older, and if you look at his career as if he was 24 or 25 in 1981, its trajectory looks pretty normal for a one time ace. [/QUOTE]