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Message: [QUOTE="Alydar, post: 4408143, member: 730"] The data points are nice if you want to seed them for last year. Iowa lost 7 games and one of them was to Horizon Leagues IUPUI, at home. They got a 2 seed for beating ranked B1G teams late in the season, but how good were those teams really. I'm not saying that Creighton should have been seeded better last year. But to start the season those wins should count. They are coming off back to back wins vs the preseason Nos 6 & 8 And they are bringing almost everyone back. Creighton played great in those games and while it's no guarrantee that they will be great this season it's the best and most recent real evidence there is. Everything else is speculation, which is nice but shouldn't trump real evidence. The media spends the entire season hyping March Madness and then ignores the results. And that about sums up my opinion. I say rank the S16 teams as the pre-season top 16 and then go from there. [/QUOTE]