Tennessee Presser

[doggydaddy]

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This video says a lot. Amatuer psycologists will have a field day with body language, tone, inuendo.

Simmons - "we gave up. we gave up early in the game."

Warlick - "I just don't understand how you can't be disciplined, can't stick to the game plan when you are playing the #2 team in the country on their road", glancing over at Simmons, " we got the results of not being disciplined, not being focused, ....we better get busy in a hurry to correct it"

 

[Wbbfan1]

Simmons had some emotions and seemed to take ownership on how they played. I didn't get the same reaction from Glory's responses. She more or less just sat there emotionless. Glory was laid back and IMHO unaccountable.

 

[Icebear]

This video says a lot. Amatuer psycologists will have a field day with body language, tone, inuendo.

Simmons - "we gave up. we gave up early in the game."

Warlick - "I just don't understand how you can't be disciplined, can't stick to the game plan when you are playing the #2 team in the country on their road", glancing over at Simmons, " we got the results of not being disciplined, not being focused, ....we better get busy in a hurry to correct it"

Little there other than what you would expect to see after most disappointing losses.

 

[RadyLady]

agreed. Simmons seemed so angry, Glory, resigned. Just wow

 

[alexrgct]

Simmons is a comeptitor. She got called out pretty hard by Doris Burke for her shot selection, and rightfully so, but at least she was fighting. As was Baugh. Manning usually does, but she's a limited offensive player and too short to pose any kind of matchup issues, so she was really limited last night. Otherwise, I didn't see a ton of "want-to" out there. And giving up a 14-0 layup drill late? That is absolutely giving up.

I remeber the 2002 national semis between Tennessee and UConn. It was not Tennessee's best team, and it certainly was UConn's. Anywaty, at one point in the first half, as UConn started opening up a wide lead, Pat reportedly told her kids something to the effect of, "You don't want to be on the plane home with me if you didn't give everything you have right here." Didn't stop them from being blown out, but hey, that was arguably the best WCBB of all time. ND isn't, and you made them look like the Olympic team. Those kids in 2002 may not have been quite good enough to hang with that UConn team, but they damn sure knew they were going to be held accountable. Who's holding anyone accountable now?

 

[RadyLady]

Who's holding anyone accountable now?

And this I read as the source of Simmons very apparent anger and frustration. She is a part of the problem, not feeding the open man, but taking ill advised shots instead. Still, she is one who didn't give up (I don't think) until close to the end.

 

[jsloanjr]

Like I said on Monday before the game, Which UT team would show up last night and you can see they are so poorly coached. They have so much athletic talent on that team and nobody knows what to do........I feel so sorry for PHS that she just does not seem to be part of the team anymore other than Coach in name only......Hopefully, UT officials will make some changes to allow her to attend home games only or not at all. Is PHS a distraction or a help?..........God Bless her!!

 

[HuskyNan]

And this I read as the source of Simmons very apparent anger and frustration. She is a part of the problem, not feeding the open man, but taking ill advised shots instead.

That's coaching, or lack thereof. If Simmons was told to play a certain way and she refuses to comply (rather than isn't able to), she should be shown the end of the bench. Pat Summit at her peak never allowed her players to dictate how the game would be played but apparently Holly Warlick will.

 

[Kevin G]

Wow! I am in shock. The coaches and players are so confused. There is turmoil occuring in LV country.

 

[Phil]

agreed. Simmons seemed so angry, Glory, resigned. Just wow

I saw it a little differently. Glory came to play, and she knew that. She didn't think this was the time to say "I showed up, what happened to the rest of them" nor was it the time or place to point out that Simmons was part of the problem. I think Glory was stunned, and wasn't quite sure what to say, and smartly, didn't go off on a rant that might be more appropriate in a closed locker room.

Frankly, I've never been much of a Glory fan, but I have new respect for her.

 

[Kevin G]

I am appauled and disgusted that LV fans are blaming ESPN for making Pat Summit look so bad on the sidelines. Of course, they say it is their agenda to do this because ESPN is in a certain state. I don't like to talk about other boards but I just think this is so low and desperate on their end. I can understand frustration after last night but this is crazy. C'mon LV fans! Connecticut and the BY have been nothing but supportive of Pat.

 

[HuskyNan]

I didn't get the same reaction from Glory's responses. She more or less just sat there emotionless. Glory was laid back and IMHO unaccountable.

I have a different take on Glory. I've seen several Tennessee games now and Glory pretty much carried the team at certain points in each game. I think she's been the most consistent player for the LVs (perhaps she and Spani although Spani has missed some games and I can't really comment too much on her). So for someone like her that has been working so hard every game, it has to be mighty discouraging to have lost the way the LVs did last night. I actually thought she was trying to hold back her emotions; early in the presser you could see her pursing her lips as if trying to keep back tears. Just my impression.

 

[boontonbomber]

the entire situation there has to be extremely difficult and draining, especially as the year goes on. people may not be appreciating just how tough it must be for the players and the coaches, to have Pat Summit there, but, perhaps, really not there. i'm not saying that she shouldn't be there. just that the distraction must be immense for all. no one is to blame; it's just a unique and very tough situation.

 

[alexrgct]

I am appauled and disgusted that LV fans are blaming ESPN for making Pat Summit look so bad on the sidelines. Of course, they say it is their agenda to do this because ESPN is in a certain state. I don't like to talk about other boards but I just think this is so low and desperate on their end. I can understand frustration after last night but this is crazy. C'mon LV fans! Connecticut and the BY have been nothing but supportive of Pat.

There seems to be some denial there. I was curious to get the LV fan perspective, and a number of people seemed certain that Pat could and should take back the reins. I'm very skeptical that she's comfortable doing so. The Pat Summitt I've watched over the years was way too competitive and intense just to sit on the sidelines while things went south, either in a single game or over the course of the season. She's just not wired like that; it's what made her great. I struggle to believe that she feels up to re-taking charge.

This LV team should be really, really good. The Stricklen-Johnson-Baugh frontcourt is really long and a matchup problem for almost every team they face. Massengale is young and makes mistakes, but she does a pretty good job distributing, handling presses, etc. She needs to be more assertive about shooting, but she's better than what they had in recent seasons at the PG spot. Simmons has been discussed ad nauseum. Spani when healthy is a deadly shooter. Manning is the kind of glue player you want on a team. Harrison and Burdick both have obvious athleticism and skill. But something isn't right there, and it's that attention to detail, every detail. Geno knows when to micromanage and when to delegate, but even when he gives someone autonomy to run with something, he micrcomanages the result. Pat was largely the same way. It's clear that there's a void in that program.

 

[EricLA]

"didn't play hard". "the outworked us". "we are playing the #2 team in the country and we didn't fight". "we didnt' stick to our game plan" (but she talked about how ND scored, not how their game plan was flawed). she kept saying it was a "whole slew of things and until we get better it won't change". "the result of not being disciplined and not being focused"

Meighan kept talking about getting back into the gym and practicing FT's, but Johnson was the only one who really missed as she was 3-10. almost like throwing Glory under the bus. granted 3-10 sucks, but that's not why they lost by 30. and it could have been way more as ND didn't play that well in the 1st half.

to me it all goes back to the flawed game plan Pat has had for years which worked exceptionally well in the past but no longer works. you recruit the best athletes you can, get them to play physical, tough defense, have no offensive game plan but get your athletes to hit the O-boards and rely on scoring off of that. so in my mind, instead of trying to appeal to the team's pride and calling them out for not playing hard, not trying, and not fighting, how about giving them the tools to succeed?

i've listened to Pat's half time rants when they've mic'd her up, and it's the same thing. "where's your pride? where's your heart? you aren't holding each other accountable". After ND's victory in the NCAA's last year, she threw out these nuggets...

“We have one of the best point guards in the country coming in,” Summitt said. “Hopefully, she can show others how to play the game at the highest level.”
"I don't know what will get to this group,'' she said. "There's been a pattern for three years.
"There's nobody that's going to grab somebody around the neck. (Shekinna) Stricklen is not going to grab somebody and say, 'You better get over here right now and start playing defense.' It's a very soft group."
"As veterans of the team, we need to be able to address that, confront it,'' she said. "I think it's been a big problem. Who are really the leaders on this team? I think we need to do better at holding each other accountable next year. We didn't hold each other accountable and it bit us in the butt."

there are lots more comments like that, but bottom line, instead of building on the team's strengths and masking their flaws, she (and it's the assistant's mindset now too) tries to get them to play the same way regardless of the kids they have on the team. That, i think, is their fatal flaw.

 

[CCinCT]

I am appauled and disgusted that LV fans are blaming ESPN for making Pat Summit look so bad on the sidelines. Of course, they say it is their agenda to do this because ESPN is in a certain state. I don't like to talk about other boards but I just think this is so low and desperate on their end. I can understand frustration after last night but this is crazy. C'mon LV fans! Connecticut and the BY have been nothing but supportive of Pat.

Neither UCONN or ESPN or the referees or the NCAA has any input in the Lady Vols game plans or coaching hierarchy. This season is a self-created disaster at UT.

 

[Blueballer]

I am appauled and disgusted that LV fans are blaming ESPN for making Pat Summit look so bad on the sidelines. Of course, they say it is their agenda to do this because ESPN is in a certain state. I don't like to talk about other boards but I just think this is so low and desperate on their end. I can understand frustration after last night but this is crazy. C'mon LV fans! Connecticut and the BY have been nothing but supportive of Pat.

I can understand the mentality of frustration. When things are going badly and you want to be loyal to the team you lash out at others away from the program. However I agree it's counterproductive to be bashing ESPN over this issue. There's plenty to bash them about in the normal course of events. Pat is certainly diminished in her capacity to coach. While she did have a few moments of animation the majority of the game was very subdued on her part. It's just sad to see knowing the level of participation she used to have.

 

[tennfanatic00]

I am appauled and disgusted that LV fans are blaming ESPN for making Pat Summit look so bad on the sidelines. Of course, they say it is their agenda to do this because ESPN is in a certain state. I don't like to talk about other boards but I just think this is so low and desperate on their end. I can understand frustration after last night but this is crazy. C'mon LV fans! Connecticut and the BY have been nothing but supportive of Pat.

I certainly think that ESPN prattled on and on about it quite a bit last night. Posters that were at the game noted how active and involved Pat was with the other coaches and with the players. It seemed ESPN made a point to show Pat every time she had that resigned and dazed look on her face (which I will admit is much more often these days)

I think her attitude this season is much more laid back because she understands she has to pace herself to get through the season intact.

The resigned look on her face has much more to do with the lack of this team to play with any sort of consistency. The coaching staff never knows who will show up in a big game and who will run doe-eyed and scared.

I don't think anyone on the Summitt is in denial about Pat's illness. I know I am constantly looking for signs of wear in her. We all know it's an invetiability that her condition will progress, forcing her to step down. I just think that the media harps on it so much that, to the casual observer, it seems that she is some sort of invalid just staring off into space the whole game. That is most certainly not the case.

 

[speedoo]

I certainly think that ESPN prattled on and on about it quite a bit last night. Posters that were at the game noted how active and involved Pat was with the other coaches and with the players. It seemed ESPN made a point to show Pat every time she had that resigned and dazed look on her face (which I will admit is much more often these days)

I think her attitude this season is much more laid back because she understands she has to pace herself to get through the season intact.

The resigned look on her face has much more to do with the lack of this team to play with any sort of consistency. The coaching staff never knows who will show up in a big game and who will run doe-eyed and scared.

I don't think anyone on the Summitt is in denial about Pat's illness. I know I am constantly looking for signs of wear in her. We all know it's an invetiability that her condition will progress, forcing her to step down. I just think that the media harps on it so much that, to the casual observer, it seems that she is some sort of invalid just staring off into space the whole game. That is most certainly not the case.

I think you need to take another look. Several posters there are hoping that she will "take over" again and come to the rescue. That is not likely to happen at all, and if it did happen, it would be a bad thing for her well being IMO.

As far as ESPN is concerned, why would they deliberately avoid showing her when she was more animated? Their commentary throughout the game did not suggest any such intention.

 

[Icebear]

I certainly think that ESPN prattled on and on about it quite a bit last night. Posters that were at the game noted how active and involved Pat was with the other coaches and with the players. It seemed ESPN made a point to show Pat every time she had that resigned and dazed look on her face (which I will admit is much more often these days)

I think her attitude this season is much more laid back because she understands she has to pace herself to get through the season intact.

The resigned look on her face has much more to do with the lack of this team to play with any sort of consistency. The coaching staff never knows who will show up in a big game and who will run doe-eyed and scared.

I don't think anyone on the Summitt is in denial about Pat's illness. I know I am constantly looking for signs of wear in her. We all know it's an invetiability that her condition will progress, forcing her to step down. I just think that the media harps on it so much that, to the casual observer, it seems that she is some sort of invalid just staring off into space the whole game. That is most certainly not the case.

I think there are many times where the media has more than protected her, too. I believe the edited pieces with Robin Roberts and ESPN during the half of the UConn-ND game distorted the situation to the better, as well.

 

[rington]

Another factor is, that maybe ND is a lot better, at this stage in the season, than most people realize. It will be huge, when they come into the XL Center!

I still maintain that there are the top 4 teams, and that is it.

 

[UCGrad2010]

I certainly think that ESPN prattled on and on about it quite a bit last night. Posters that were at the game noted how active and involved Pat was with the other coaches and with the players. It seemed ESPN made a point to show Pat every time she had that resigned and dazed look on her face (which I will admit is much more often these days)

I think her attitude this season is much more laid back because she understands she has to pace herself to get through the season intact.

The resigned look on her face has much more to do with the lack of this team to play with any sort of consistency. The coaching staff never knows who will show up in a big game and who will run doe-eyed and scared.

I don't think anyone on the Summitt is in denial about Pat's illness. I know I am constantly looking for signs of wear in her. We all know it's an invetiability that her condition will progress, forcing her to step down. I just think that the media harps on it so much that, to the casual observer, it seems that she is some sort of invalid just staring off into space the whole game. That is most certainly not the case.

There were times that ESPN did catch Coach Summitt actively involved, but there was an emphasis on showing her when she was sitting down, legs crossed. I will admit that the footage was skewed towards that angle, at least during close ups. I think what was most telling though was that when the action was on the Tennessee side of the court in the second half, ESPN was using the "wide angle" shot that had the full Tennessee bench in the background, and not once did I see Coach Summitt get up to become involved and patrol the sideline, which is/was one of her trademarks.

Coach Summitt is certainly not an invalid and certainly not incapable of letting her thoughts be known, and I'm sure she is still able to spread her knowledge. However, what made her such an amazing coach was her ability to instill a fire in her team, and to have them exhibit a "never back down" attitude, no matter the odds. I think that is the key component that is missing from her sideline presence at this point. She's still there and still active...it's just not as intense, and imo, I don't think it's as effective.

 

[justML]

Have to disagree about ESPN's "negative" coverage.

I was so shocked by Pat's demeanor that I started looking for her in the background as play continued in front of the TN bench. At almost all times in the second half she was seated with legs crossed. She rarely spoke with the other coaches.

Cameras picking this up during the game was not a conspiracy.

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[psconn]

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[Jmpenn]

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