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Message: [QUOTE="Bayareahusky, post: 2550230, member: 2136"] Yes Bernie when I say that she does not have control.... what i mean is the players do not listen to her.... good example is couple of year back.... she said "I tell them to assume a defensive stance, and they just do not want to".... and about the same time.... at start of season.... Massengale said that the team realizes that they really need to listen to what head coach is trying to tell them.... but that didn't last long.... what I have seen over Hollys tenure is the players pretty much doing what they want..... There are no repercussions..... and Fulmer and Holly are good buddies.... so perhaps TN will continue to be happy with 25 and 10 finish. I don't know [/QUOTE]