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Message: [QUOTE="gioff2323, post: 5093113, member: 9144"] Dante had us plus 8. They are simply shocked at the full circle they’ve gone. Recall they were a joke - kicked out of the BE conference. They pulled themselves out of hell and got really good - even got gameday to Philly. They looked at us recently the same way we looked at them 20 years ago, a joke. They’ve come to a reality we know well - 2 bad hires in a row can unwind a renaissance in a very short period of time. [/QUOTE]