Tara moves into 2nd place

[Vowelguy]

havent seen this reported anywhere but last weekend Tara notched win 975 moving her ahead of Hatchell for 2nd place overall. At the end of last year she had also passed Stringer.

 

[Bayareahusky]

Tara is a great one who truly understands the game.... Congratulations

 

[Jimbo]

Nice catch. I knew Tara was getting close to Hatchell but didn't know she'd passed her. Every time I hear someone guess how many more seasons it would take Geno to reach Summitt's mark of 1098, I think to myself that Tara has a good chance to get there first if she keeps on coaching.

 

[bags27]

she would have got there a couple of games ago if she had managed to bag Looooouuuuuuu!

 

[UcMiami]

Vowel guy - thanks for picking that up and bringing it to the board! I have a ton of respect for Tara and what she accomplishes at Stanford with the restrictions that puts on her recruiting. And she is a real student of the game - an 'old guard' coach who really understands basketball and has adapted to the ever changing landscape in a way that not many have.

I know there was a little 'bad blood' regarding Lobo and Tara's Olympic team which I never knew the ins and outs of, but it is really ancient history and I don't think anyone is holding on to that any more - it was never an assault on 'Uconn'.

 

[bleeckerhusky]

Vowel guy - thanks for picking that up and bringing it to the board! I have a ton of respect for Tara and what she accomplishes at Stanford with the restrictions that puts on her recruiting. And she is a real student of the game - an 'old guard' coach who really understands basketball and has adapted to the ever changing landscape in a way that not many have.

I know there was a little 'bad blood' regarding Lobo and Tara's Olympic team which I never knew the ins and outs of, but it is really ancient history and I don't think anyone is holding on to that any more - it was never an assault on 'Uconn'.

Maybe you're not holding on to way that Tara treated Lobo, but I am and I suspect that other BYers are too. And let's not forget that after Uconn defeated Stanford by 27 in the semi-final game in 1995, Tara still picked Tennessee to win.

 

[UcMiami]

Maybe you're not holding on to way that Tara treated Lobo, but I am and I suspect that other BYers are too. And let's not forget that after Uconn defeated Stanford by 27 in the semi-final game in 1995, Tara still picked Tennessee to win.

Fair enough, but Geno and Lobo do not seem to be.

 

[alexrgct]

Geno is at 944 wins right now and just a bit less than a year younger than Tara. I imagine Geno will challenge Pat's 1,098 victory total, but the stars seem aligned for him to make a serious run at, and possibly surpass, everyone else.

 

[chuck.r]

havent seen this reported anywhere but last weekend Tara notched win 975 moving her ahead of Hatchell for 2nd place overall. At the end of last year she had also passed Stringer.

Perhaps it hasn't been reported as it hasn't happened just yet. Hatchell and VanDerveer are currently tied at 975 career victories.

 

[jdubct]

she would have got there a couple of games ago if she had managed to bag Looooouuuuuuu!

That just wasn't in the cards. Seemed to be always an Uconn lean.

 

[Vowelguy]

Perhaps it hasn't been reported as it hasn't happened just yet. Hatchell and VanDerveer are currently tied at 975 career victories.

Thanks. My fault for looking at a Wikipedia page that hasn't been fully updated.
Yes, both are at 975.

But UNC has just 1 more regular season game (@Duke), then the ACC tourney. Barring several tourney wins, postseason is out.
So Tara will really take the lead this weekend or next.

 

[UcMiami]

Interesting thoughts:
By the end of this year Geno will have caught up 20 +/- wins over two of the active coaches in front of him leaving him around 20 wins behind Sylvia and 15 behind Cviv.

UNC graduates 6 players off their roster including Xylina - they have 7 players signed for next year as replacements but the highest rated is #43 and only one other is in the top 100 - so lots of bodies but I am not sure how much real help. They could be in the same mid-teens win total again next year.

Rutgers - they are also losing 6 seniors and it is the back bone of their talent: Canty, Hollivay, Cooper, Butts, plus two, and I assume they have some recruits coming in but they do not make ESPNs top twenty recruiting classes and have zero top 100 recruits signed (unless I am going blind.) It is hard to imagine that they will actual improve losing all that talent.

So by the end of next year, even if uconn struggles more than usual, Geno will likely be a few wins behind or in front of CViv and Sylvia. (If the NCAA gets its act together in the next 12 months Sylvia of course could lose a lot of wins.)


As far as Tara, the chase has been much slower, but this year will probably cut the deficit by about 10 to about 25. Tara doesn't lose much to graduation and she has a good class coming in, but the conference schedule has become much more challenging with the rise of other teams so Geno will likely continue to eat 5 +/- games off the lead each year.

If that holds true and they are both coaching in five years time, their convergence and their approach to Pat's record could all be happening at the same time.

 

[nd2tty]

Perhaps it hasn't been reported as it hasn't happened just yet. Hatchell and VanDerveer are currently tied at 975 career victories.

Did Hatchell get credit for the win against NC State on Feb. 7th that she sat out for NCAA violation? If not, she's at 974.

 

[HGN]

Good coach........Deserves the recognition. Team use to own the PAC-12. But PAC-12 conference getting tougher and wins will not come so easily going forward.

I suspect Geno will catch her in about 3 years. Gaining about 8-12 wins per.

 

[nd2tty]

I'm not sure Geno catches Tara before she catches Pat. At 31/wins a season (consistent with last 5-10 years), Tara will be at 1,078 at the start of the 2019-2020 season, putting her in position to pass Summit in January-February 2020. At 36 wins/season (consistent with last 5-10 years), Geno will be at 1,061 at the start of the 2019-2020 season, putting him in position to pass Summit at the very end of the 2019-2020 season or the start of the 2020-2021 season.

Now, if either of their winning rates changes dramatically, then that could change. I think there's a chance that with the new PAC-12, Tara's rate might go to more like 29 wins/season. For example, this season, even if they win out (including a tough game tonight against Oregon State), win the PAC-12 tournament, and make it to the E8, they would only have 30 wins...and that's about as good as you would imagine. I think 27-9 is probably more likely.

But Geno's could drop a bit too.

 

[Vowelguy]

Did Hatchell get credit for the win against NC State on Feb. 7th that she sat out for NCAA violation? If not, she's at 974.

Coaches get credit for all games during their reign, regardless of whether or not the coach is at that particular game. Eg, Hatchell got credit for the games during the season she sat out for cancer treatment. Geno got credit for the games he missed during the BE tournament when his father passed away.

A coach needs to formally step aside for games to not be counted -- as Tara did the season she was off coaching the National Team.

 

[nd2tty]

Coaches get credit for all games during their reign, regardless of whether or not the coach is at that particular game. Eg, Hatchell got credit for the games during the season she sat out for cancer treatment. Geno got credit for the games he missed during the BE tournament when his father passed away.

A coach needs to formally step aside for games to not be counted -- as Tara did the season she was off coaching the National Team.

For NCAA violation suspensions? Wow. I mean I knew that coaches got credit if they were away from the team for medical hardship and deaths in the family, etc. Interesting...

 

[Vowelguy]

For NCAA violation suspensions? Wow. I mean I knew that coaches got credit if they were away from the team for medical hardship and deaths in the family, etc. Interesting...

I don't know for sure about suspensions -- I originally wrote "generally get credit" - should've stuck with that!

 

[UcMiami]

Did Sylvia actually get credit for her sabbatical year when her assistant took over? I thought that was basically the same situation as Tara's sabbatical year.

 

[willtalk]

While I have always felt the Older WCBB coaches were somewhat over rated, Tara would still head and shoulders above Hatchel and Stringer.

 

[Vowelguy]

Did Sylvia actually get credit for her sabbatical year when her assistant took over? I thought that was basically the same situation as Tara's sabbatical year.

I'm pretty sure she did. I think she was still involved with the team a bit.
Whereas Tara was out traveling the world with the national team and was removed from what was happening at Stanford.

Sue Gunter also got credit for the latter half of her final season, even though she was out and Pokey Chatman was running the team.

 

[chuck.r]

Thanks. My fault for looking at a Wikipedia page that hasn't been fully updated.
Yes, both are at 975.

But UNC has just 1 more regular season game (@Duke), then the ACC tourney. Barring several tourney wins, postseason is out.
So Tara will really take the lead this weekend or next.

Given the quality of each school's current season to date, there is little doubt VanDerveer will be 2nd all-time in career wins at the end of the season, and with it the title of "winning-est active coach". She's on pace to surmount 1000 wins next season. (Geno in 2018!).

 

[chuck.r]

I'm pretty sure she did. I think she was still involved with the team a bit.
Whereas Tara was out traveling the world with the national team and was removed from what was happening at Stanford.

Sue Gunter also got credit for the latter half of her final season, even though she was out and Pokey Chatman was running the team.

The NCAA officially credited Hatchell with UNC's 2012-13 season, despite her leave-of-absence that year for health reasons. Interestingly, that was the lone (freshmen) season her #1 recruit class of DeShields, Mavunga, Gray & Washington all played together at UNC. Hatchell never got to coach a live game with that stellar class fully intact.