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Message: [QUOTE="Mr. French, post: 5310018, member: 2292"] I agree, I've thought these things for a long time. I know I'm biased, but that Seattle Ray was REALLY good, and Kobe was threatened by him. That version of Ray was very athletic and way better shooter than Kobe. He would have averaged 21-23 instead of 27 and would have let Shaq be the star, and ultimately that would STILL make Ray underrated because that’s the kind of dude and player he is. Kobe wanted the attention and credit and couldn’t wait to tell everyone how hard he worked and how good he was. Eventually he needed to be THE guy. Also, I'm still bitter about 2010. Kobe should have 4 and Ray should have at least 3. [/QUOTE]