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Message: [QUOTE="Deepster, post: 5309910, member: 25"] All athletes. Yogi Berra has 10 rings and 18 all star appearances. How often do you ever hear about how great he was? Carl Yazstremski (also one of the most overrated players ever) has 18 all star appearances as well. So what? Personally? I think the gold glove is flawed, somewhat of a popularity contest in ways and could/should be restructured. Silver Slugger is voted on by coaches and players. Nothing statistical. Intangibles? I can go out on a limb and say you have intangibles. It's something used when you can't make a statistical argument. I'm a numbers guy. I won't sit and nod yes when Joe MessageBoard says "I can just tell he's good". I do think MVP voting has merit, but I'll throw this one out there and you can comment on it. Below is Jeter and Michael Young in 2009. Jeter was 3rd in MVP voting, Young was 16th. You see that big a disparity between the two seasons? [TABLE] [TR] [TD]Season[/TD] [TD]Age[/TD] [TD]Team[/TD] [TD]G[/TD] [TD]PA[/TD] [TD]AB[/TD] [TD]R[/TD] [TD]H[/TD] [TD]2B[/TD] [TD]3B[/TD] [TD]HR[/TD] [TD]RBI[/TD] [TD]SB[/TD] [TD]CS[/TD] [TD]BB[/TD] [TD]SO[/TD] [TD]BA[/TD] [TD]OBP[/TD] [TD]SLG[/TD] [TD]OPS[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=jeterde01&t=b&year=2009']2009[/URL][/TD] [TD]35[/TD] [TD][URL='https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/2009.shtml']NYY[/URL][/TD] [TD]153[/TD] [TD]716[/TD] [TD]634[/TD] [TD]107[/TD] [TD]212[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]66[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]72[/TD] [TD]90[/TD] [TD]0.334[/TD] [TD]0.406[/TD] [TD]0.465[/TD] [TD]0.871[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][URL='https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=youngmi02&t=b&year=2009']2009[/URL][/TD] [TD]32[/TD] [TD][URL='https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TEX/2009.shtml']TEX[/URL][/TD] [TD]135[/TD] [TD]593[/TD] [TD]541[/TD] [TD]76[/TD] [TD]174[/TD] [TD]36[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]68[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]47[/TD] [TD]90[/TD] [TD]0.322[/TD] [TD]0.374[/TD] [TD]0.518[/TD] [TD]0.892[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/QUOTE]

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