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Message: [QUOTE="Mr. French, post: 5309568, member: 2292"] Even his early career, he wasn’t that good but his potential and star power was already there…he was overrated in 97. By the time he got great, he was a jerk and had Shaq still easily the most important player. Then he gets rid of Shaq and puts up 50 shots a game for multiple years on crappy teams. He’s a great all-time player but he doesn’t sniff top 10. As you note, people now talk about top 5, top 3, maniacal worker, etc. Who was the first person to talk about how hard he worked and how obsessed he was? Kobe. Other people said it about Jordan. Kobe told us about Kobe. [/QUOTE]