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Message: [QUOTE="msf22b, post: 5142384, member: 656"] BigB I have my nits to pick about BaseB too but some of your concerns have been dealt with...there are no more 1 batter relief pitchers, the game is for sure speeded up. But fundamentals is a thing of the past and pitchers are at the limit before their arms give out...I do wonder how the old-timers pitched so many complete games...Smokey Joe. Christy, Rube and their ilk...but I'm only 85; would have had to be 50 years older or so to have seen the game in the 20's or before. [/QUOTE]