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Message: [QUOTE="Engineer90, post: 3171886, member: 9712"] We really do. Listen, no bull, I know two bee winners from the past handful of years. My kids went to school with them. These kids sacrifice their childhood to try and win this. Everyone applauds the winner but does anyone think about the kids that sacrificed their childhood and ended up with nothing but bitter and angry parents that, trust me, let the kids know? This has turned into nothing more than an intellectual [penis] swinging contest by egomaniacal tiger parents. And once one kid uses this to get into Princeton (again, I know the kid) the other crazy parents see it and push their kid to be the next famous bee winner. The abusive parenting grows like a cancer. And it isn't just the bee. It extends to extracurricular and volunteer activities as well as sports. One Chinese kid in our area just used swimming to get into Cal Tech. A buddy I work with is Russian and married a Chinese woman. They have a 10 year old daughter who likes to swim but, really, there is no reason to think she is super gifted. The mom takes her 6 hours each way several times a month so she can train with an Olympic swim coach. When she is not honing her hook for Harvard she is practicing the violin and piano. The mom is a walking tiger mom stereotype. My buddy is concerned but is cautious as this is his second marriage. I live in a rural area and we are surrounded by madness. I can only imagine what it is like in Westchester county or Palo Alto. And the colleges encourage this bad behavior. They have switched from valuing well rounded kids to what they now call "pointed" applicants. They want kids that they say are passionate about something. What that really means is that they want an obsessed kid who was driven to excell on a national level at something so they can brag about that kid in their incoming class profile. Swimming, spelling bee, science olympiad, archery, ballroom dancing...whatever. [/QUOTE]

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