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[FriarJ]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...investigating-bernie-fine-molesting-boy-1980s

 

[21Huskies]

crazy how many sick ducks there are in this world

 

[hooskies]

they're the ACC's problem now..

 

[champs99and04]

This story seems awfully familar...

 

[Husky999]

Wow... why would anyone make a story like that up??? I mean you have to ask yourself why anyone would make something like that up if it wasn't true. Boeheim is toast if this is true.

 

[superjohn]

What on earth is going on in College sports, this is unbeleivable. I know it unfortunately happens everytwhere in society but to find out that 2 of the most prominent assistants in sports are allegedly molesters is quite disturbing. If this is true Syracuse could possibly go down in flames like Penn State.

 

[21Huskies]

they're the ACC's problem now..

joking or not, the fact this is what you're thinking about when reading this is beyond idiotic.

this story is equally gross to penn st. cover ups from former cuse players in the police force and OTL had this story in 2003 and never ran it... now they have a 2nd accuser.

what is wrong with this world. truly sad if true

 

[hooskies]

joking or not, the fact this is what you're thinking about when reading this is beyond idiotic.

this story is equally gross to penn st. cover ups from former cuse players in the police force and OTL had this story in 2003 and never ran it... now they have a 2nd accuser.

what is wrong with this world. truly sad if true

clearly joking, and if you actually read the article you would see that police are in the early stages of looking into this. we just read that someone made claims against him, so i'm going to wait until we're certain what happened before i pass judgement.

 

[UConner]

Victims coming out of the woodwork now Bet there will be more Money and now lack of solo shame will drive it

 

[61cygni]

 

[21Huskies]

clearly joking, and if you actually read the article you would see that police are in the early stages of looking into this. we just read that someone made claims against him, so i'm going to wait until we're certain what happened before i pass judgement.

obviously you haven't read it

they were aware back in '03 and the officer who handled the accusation was a former Cuse bball player.

Syracuse university also did an investigation in '05 for 4 months looking into the situation and found no wrongdoing. Outside the Lines had the story back in '03 and decided not to run the story until they just recently had a 2nd accuser come forward.

 

[Huskymaniac]

joking or not, the fact this is what you're thinking about when reading this is beyond idiotic.

this story is equally gross to penn st. cover ups from former cuse players in the police force and OTL had this story in 2003 and never ran it... now they have a 2nd accuser.

what is wrong with this world. truly sad if true

This is the kind of stuff that makes this board frustrating as hell at times. Why do people feel the need to get up on a soap box all the time? Lighten up. What if this is just a side thought instead of the poster's only or original thought on the subject? It is a valid thing to wonder about. For example, could news like this make the ACC rescind their offer to Syracuse? Could the bad press Penn State is dealing with cause the Big 10 to kick them out? And before you "go off", I am not saying that either of thes things will happen. I just wonder if they might.

 

[ctchamps]

This is not good. Tough for the kids molested. This could haunt them the rest of their lives. This could be PSU II. I hope not.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

obviously you haven't read it

they were aware back in '03 and the officer who handled the accusation was a former Cuse bball player.

Syracuse university also did an investigation in '05 for 4 months looking into the situation and found no wrongdoing. Outside the Lines had the story back in '03 and decided not to run the story until they just recently had a 2nd accuser come forward.

The 2nd accuser is a relative of the first. This feels more to me like a relationship that ended badly. That said, if the kid was under 18 when the relationship started, it's a crime.

 

[Sportsman5]

The story would not be released unless there is very good credibility to the case. The Penn State case has been going on for several years now. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that it became national news. There is definitely a lot of information that will be coming out in the next few days/ weeks. This article is clearly the tip of the iceberg. Only time will tell though.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

The 2nd accuser is a relative of the first. This feels more to me like a relationship that ended badly. That said, if the kid was under 18 when the relationship started, it's a crime.

It is, but if it happened back in the '80s or '90s, the statute of limitations is long up. The local Syracuse newspaper also had this story in 2003 but didn't run it because they could find no one to corroborate. In light of the PSU story, it would be easy for someone to exaggerate a story, or even make one up, and be found credible because of the current sensitivity. Of course, I have no reason to believe it happened here, but it's something to keep in mind here, especially since this story has been out for a long time, and no one could find anyone else to corroborate it.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

The story would not be released unless there is very good credibility to the case. The Penn State case has been going on for several years now. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that it became national news. There is definitely a lot of information that will be coming out in the next few days/ weeks. This article is clearly the tip of the iceberg. Only time will tell though.

Disagree. The PSU case makes it more likely for the media to report any potential copycats, since these kind of stories get people riled up and increases ratings and webpage hits. Not that they'll report something false, but they'll report something that has at least some credibility, but may not be entirely true.

 

[Ts5034]

Wow. This really is out of control btw Penn St and now this story. I miss the days when the only negative stories coming out of schools was recruiting violations.

 

[orangehomer]

It is, but if it happened back in the '80s or '90s, the statute of limitations is long up. The local Syracuse newspaper also had this story in 2003 but didn't run it because they could find no one to corroborate. In light of the PSU story, it would be easy for someone to exaggerate a story, or even make one up, and be found credible because of the current sensitivity. Of course, I have no reason to believe it happened here, but it's something to keep in mind here, especially since this story has been out for a long time, and no one could find anyone else to corroborate it.

it was apparently investigated by the post standard, the police, and the university, and no one could find anything, and the witnesses the victim cited did not corroborate his story. if bernie is guilty i say let him rot, but for the love of god let's get the facts straight first. it's not a new allegation.

 

[Dove]

The 2nd accuser is a relative of the first. This feels more to me like a relationship that ended badly. That said, if the kid was under 18 when the relationship started, it's a crime.

The article says that Davis was in 7th grade.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The article says that Davis was in 7th grade.

The first article I read said 12 years ending when Davis was 27. Davis claims there are many other victims. Either they come forward or they don't.

 

[RS9999X]

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this story is equally gross to penn st. cover ups from former cuse players in the police force and OTL had this story in 2003 and never ran it... now they have a 2nd accuser.

The Syracuse Player on the police force was not just any player. He was Dennis Duval. Some would say Syracuse is where it is today because of 'Sweet D'.

SU went to the NIT with Soph PG Duval in 1972 and then the NCAA tourney in 73 and 74 when Duval was captain and scoring leader and with Boeheim as the newly minted assistant. The recruiting and everything else fell into place at that time with Boeheim as Assistant and Duval their ABA style poster boy. The following year 1975 Duval was gone but SU was in the Final Four and Coach Danforth on his way out in 76 to make room for Boehein. The Dome was funded in early 1978 and the BE plans formally announced on May 31, 1979.

That's the golden era and no one is more revered than Duval unless it Jim Boeheim or 60s icon Dave Bing or God himself. We are in Ditka territory with the SU superfans.

 

[Sportsman5]

Disagree. The PSU case makes it more likely for the media to report any potential copycats, since these kind of stories get people riled up and increases ratings and webpage hits. Not that they'll report something false, but they'll report something that has at least some credibility, but may not be entirely true.

I agree that ESPN wants to report news that will get them ratings. However, there have been local investigations done that have involved people who have VERY close ties to the program. This raises a HUGE red flag as to the legitimacy of these supposed investigations. That would lead me to believe there was not sufficient research done into the situation at the time. With another accuser stepping forward and a legitimate investigation going on that would point towards additional stories coming up. Who knows what will turn up or what the truth is.

 

[freescooter]

it was apparently investigated by the post standard, the police, and the university, and no one could find anything, and the witnesses the victim cited did not corroborate his story. if bernie is guilty i say let him rot, but for the love of god let's get the facts straight first. it's not a new allegation.

I think this is a pretty reasonable position to take. And the Penn State comparison isn't exact, it seems to me. In this case there were a series of investigations and no corroberating evidence was found. There is a reason that we require evidence, not simply denunciations, before finding people guilty (see Duke Lacrosse on what can happen when you don't have actual evidence). Also you can't take action against someone when noone is willing to talk. This case has a somewhat different feel to it than Penn State, since it sounds like people did the right thing, or at least tried to, though in many people's minds it won't be different.

 

[upstater]

The first article I read said 12 years ending when Davis was 27. Davis claims there are many other victims. Either they come forward or they don't.

It ended 12 years ago. Not that it lasted 12 years. He says it went on from 11-27 years of age.