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Message: [QUOTE="3rdbass, post: 5186071, member: 898"] I think you missed my point. When Hawkins gets to the rim he has more explosiveness than Ball. Ball hasn't shown that explosiveness going to the rim. I think Ball isn't too quick he is just a good jumper but he has trouble exploding when going to the rim and is using more hesitation dribbles to get by his man. He certainly isn't Ben Gordon good in penetrating who also had more explosiveness. It feels odd as that was what he was known for in High School. He seems more of a shooter and crafty dribbler. [/QUOTE]