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...so with Karen’s big Wins lately, who’s #1 on the Hotseat?

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Karen scored a good win over Tennessee and a great win win over Stanford this past week. As the ship looks righted and a visit back to the Top 25 on the horizon, I would be shocked if she is not renewed at then end of the year. To me, she is no long #1 on the Coaches Hotseat watch list. Now is this post meantime to be callous-no, just observational in what programs need to do more and improve.
With JPM and Sherri Coale having contracts thru 2021, they are safe. So with conference play about to start and some programs about to be exposed (Kansas) what schools simply need to move on and find better leaders to make their programs better?
Here’s my stab at it in the P5 +2
AAC-Tulsa, SMU and ECU have been trending down. ECU just changed coaches and SMU is on season 4 with Travis but it’s clear this is not working. My guess is Tulsa and SMU will change.
Big East-other than Villanova, no school will make a change as perennial doormat Xavier just hired a Michigan assistant this past year.
ACC- I don’t care what she did as a player, Hoover has been dreadful at Wake Forest and it doesn’t look better in the foreseeable future. It’s time to move on.
Big12-Kansas needs to move onto someone and not be fooled by this HORRIBLE OOC #229 that has current coach at 10-0 (soon to 11-0 when they play #274 Wofford). Brandon Schneider’s contract expires in April 2020 so my guess is he will be left to walk.
Big 10- Illinois and Wisconsin are not good but with newer coaches at the helms and slight improvements being seen, I think all BIG10 coaches are on solid footing.
PAC12-To me, JR Payne has “pulled a Kansas” and scheduled a pathetic OOC #173 to mask that her program is not close to competing in the brutal PAC12. Her conference wins are diminishing and she’s picked 12th again and this is year 4 of her 5 year contract. As CU had to buy out the previous coach and Payne is earning a paltry $175k plus incentives, she’s safe for one more year. All others appear safe as well
SEC-WIth LSU improving, Nikki is safe (sorry @SECbbfan24 ), Florida is still a mess but coach is in year 2. Ole Miss also is a mess but that coach is in year 2 as well. The only choice is Vanderbilt and Stephanie White with a huge contract, terrible results and a poor recruit outlook, that said, I think she has a 5 year contract so the Commodores may be stuck for 1 more year-good news for the rest of the SEC.
For me, Kansas Program is the #1 Hotseat watch but is the eye candy of 11-0 doing to fool the regents? What say you?
 

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I don't think Aston is off the hot seat just yet. Will depend on how the rest of the season goes. Gotta keep in mind that even if this team gets to the NCAA tournament, they're losing Holmes, Sutton, Higgs and Underwood after this year, and their incoming recruiting class is not strong. Even if she does get an extension, I suspect it will be a very short leash.

But yes, Hoover *has* to be first on the chopping block. Her team did show signs of a faint pulse in the last couple games, beating Dayton and Florida, but surely it'll take a lot more than that -- probably an NCAA tournament appearance -- to save her job.

This article says Brandon Schneider "has three years remaining on his deal because of an unreleased two-year extension given to him in the spring of 2018. Schneider said his contract now runs through March of 2022":

I'd sure like to know what warranted his "unreleased two-year extension" in 2018, a season in which Kansas went 12-18 and 3-15 in the Big 12.
 
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Pitt is another team that falls under the category of “a mess but coach is in year two.”
 
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Newbauer is in year 3 at Florida, not year 2. His seat is warm and getting hotter.

Ole Miss is going to have a very rough season this year -- very -- but the recruiting class they have coming in could be a huge shot in the arm.

I thought LSU was improving, too, before they lost by 22 to a very bad Oklahoma team. I am curious as to how good they have to be this year to keep Nikki safe. NCAAT? Could be dicey.
 
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Newbauer is in year 3 at Florida, not year 2. His seat is warm and getting hotter.

Ole Miss is going to have a very rough season this year -- very -- but the recruiting class they have coming in could be a huge shot in the arm.

I thought LSU was improving, too, before they lost by 22 to a very bad Oklahoma team. I am curious as to how good they have to be this year to keep Nikki safe. NCAAT? Could be dicey.
Coach Yo at Ole Miss is in year 2. They also have a new AD; we stole their previous one after ours moved to LSU.

Scott Woodward replaced Joe Alleva at LSU last Spring. I imagine that might affect the expectations for Nikki. Before moving to A&M along with his Univ President, Woodward was AD at Washington for both the Kevin McGuff and Mike Neighbors hires.
 

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I would think at some point Joanne P McCallie of Duke has to be on the hot seat. Duke is 7-5 so far this year. If they end up around 11th in the ACC, would that be enough to replace her? Joanne contract runs through next season.
 
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I would think at some point Joanne P McCallie of Duke has to be on the hot seat. Duke is 7-5 so far this year. If they end up around 11th in the ACC, would that be enough to replace her? Joanne contract runs through next season.
...and replace MM at nd because she is better than at throwing her players under the bus.
 

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I would think at some point Joanne P McCallie of Duke has to be on the hot seat. Duke is 7-5 so far this year. If they end up around 11th in the ACC, would that be enough to replace her? Joanne contract runs through next season.
One would think. At some point sums it up. If I was a Dukie I would think that sooner was better than later.
 

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I would guess Duke will just let McCallie's contract expire. Most of their fan base has been unhappy for quite a while, but no move has been made. I think she's a bit like Warlick, if you just look at W/L record it doesn't seem that bad, but that's missing some context. She has been trending downward the last several years though.
 

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Coach Yo at Ole Miss is in year 2. They also have a new AD; we stole their previous one after ours moved to LSU.

Scott Woodward replaced Joe Alleva at LSU last Spring. I imagine that might affect the expectations for Nikki. Before moving to A&M along with his Univ President, Woodward was AD at Washington for both the Kevin McGuff and Mike Neighbors hires.
Coach Yo will turn Ole Miss around, but it will take 2 more years.
 

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Ok with Oklahoma getting throttled by Baylor, no surprise there, but with some fellow BYers asking, my quandary is who goes first Joanne P McCallie or Sherri Coale? My guess is JPM as they actually seem to have fans that care, not sure what Oklahomans think. They do have softball as their feature women’s sport...:rolleyes:
 
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Ok with Oklahoma getting throttled by Baylor, no surprise there, but with some fellow BYers asking, my quandary is who goes first Joanne P McCallie or Sherri Coale? My guess is JPM as they actually seem to have fans that care, not sure what Oklahomans think. They do have softball as their feature women’s sport...:rolleyes:

Easiest answer: Who’s contract is up first?
 

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Easiest answer: Who’s contract is up first?
Only because of your yeoman efforts on listing all these games and audio/visual links that are awesome, I looked up Sherri as I knew JPM expires next year. Sherri was extended to June 2022 inJune of 2018. ;)
Looks like JPM is dumped first...
 
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Ok with Oklahoma getting throttled by Baylor, no surprise there, but with some fellow BYers asking, my quandary is who goes first Joanne P McCallie or Sherri Coale? My guess is JPM as they actually seem to have fans that care, not sure what Oklahomans think. They do have softball as their feature women’s sport...:rolleyes:
I started following Ou due to the great Courtney Paris, the team has fallen and it’s been a long one. Still I don’t think Sherri will be let go, I think she will hang it up once her contact is up but right now she is tarnishing her HOF coaching career.
 

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Guess what Karen? You've just lost to TCU and your old friend is back.

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I started following Ou due to the great Courtney Paris, the team has fallen and it’s been a long one. Still I don’t think Sherri will be let go, I think she will hang it up once her contact is up but right now she is tarnishing her HOF coaching career.
You know, I hadn't really thought about her and the HOF but I did just look at her resume and yeah, You are probably right, she will get into the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame. She had 19 consecutive NCAA Tournaments, 1 Runner-Up, 2 other Final Fours and put Oklahoma's WCBB on the map. The question then becomes, if she does continue to struggle and not make the NCAAT, this year, 2020-21 and in 2021-22 when her contract is up, will she know enough to retire? Most coaches, due to their competitive spirit won't go quietly. Just look at C Vivian Stringer, she needs to retire but she's hanging on. Same with Tara, she too should hang em up. She's lost it. Come to think of it, so has Kim Mulkey, MM and Kelly Graves. :rolleyes:
 

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I started following Ou due to the great Courtney Paris, the team has fallen and it’s been a long one. Still I don’t think Sherri will be let go, I think she will hang it up once her contact is up but right now she is tarnishing her HOF coaching career.
Sherri will be 55 in 2 weeks. Too young to even think about "hanging it up". You can't really believe these coaches took up coaching to reach the HOF. Sure, they all WANT to be good enough but realistically, that is not the expectation. I think Coale has many good years left. Her problem now is whether or not she can stay at OU without making the NCAAs consistently. I would think that at $1.1M, the expectation is that she can maintain competitive teams every year. So, the question becomes; do they dump her to save $$$$? Then if they do, where does she go? I have to believe it's in her blood and will be around somewhere, for a number of years to come.
 
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You know, I hadn't really thought about her and the HOF but I did just look at her resume and yeah, You are probably right, she will get into the Women's Basketball Hall of Fame. She had 19 consecutive NCAA Tournaments, 1 Runner-Up, 2 other Final Fours and put Oklahoma's WCBB on the map. The question then becomes, if she does continue to struggle and not make the NCAAT, this year, 2020-21 and in 2021-22 when her contract is up, will she know enough to retire? Most coaches, due to their competitive spirit won't go quietly. Just look at C Vivian Stringer, she needs to retire but she's hanging on. Same with Tara, she too should hang em up. She's lost it. Come to think of it, so has Kim Mulkey, MM and Kelly Graves. :rolleyes:

the level of sarcasm is pretty disgusting in your post, the last winning season Sherri has had was in 2015-2016 when the team went 25 and 10, I can’t see OU letter her go, but with teams like Baylor who she hasn’t beaten since Griner was a freshman, TCU who has a good coach, Texas who always seems to have our number, Iowa st who always seems to have our number and WVA who we beat last year is to athletic for us to beat consistently are better teams. Our is weak at point guard and at center, unlike Stringer, Tara, and MM who will all be adding High School All Americans, Sherri can’t seem to get that done. we obviously need a center and our lone recruit will be a 5’3 point guard. I don’t expect the school to let her go, and I can’t see her coaching anywhere else, that’s why I think she could/should retire, you can see her on the bench game in game out looking like she has given up on the team. Since I’ve been following OU, maybe 3 players have improved while under coach Coale. Sherri normally gets a top 20 recruit to visit but she can’t get them to sign. I don’t see this team getting past 16 wins this season so making the big dance is unlikely, she’s replaced 2 assists coaches and yet the team still looks the same, I can’t see anything new brought to the team.
 

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Actually, on Sherri, I do think she is a Hall of Famer, my joke was on having Kim, MM, Tara all leave their positions when their contracts expire.
Sherri is paid $1,000,000 plus per year and her results are NOT worthy of that salary. Up until 2010-11, she was pretty awesome, then Griner arrived in Waco and poof, Sherri had been eclipsed. She was bounced in the 2nd round, she made the Sweet 16 in 2012-13, then was bounced in the second round 3 times, lost twice in the first round (and probably should not have been invited in 2017-18 at 16-15) then didn't qualify last year at 8-22 and is not looking good for making it this year. She's paid as one of the top 10 coaches in the game and can't even make the NCAAT as a top 32 open bid team. That's bad. She has two years to right the ship as the school will not be buying her out but as I have watched this team, I am not hopeful. WCBB would be better is she were to get the program back to a perennial top 16 team as she does play one of the better OOC schedules in the Big12. But as I said, she's paid an exorbitant amount of money for little results. Bad contracts like this, drive up the costs for other schools to pay their coaches, which in non-revenue sports, kills the peripheral sports like swimming, field hockey, men's soccer, men's rowing etc.
As I said, I do think Sherri is a Hall of Fame coach but her time as a top D1 coach has come and gone. Sorry if this offends you.
 

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