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Message: [QUOTE="DefenseBB, post: 3248621, member: 7492"] My take is “Top” means grouping, not “the best” so I think many are now coming around to the view Kim has shown skills to recruit, win, coach and win in big games. There are only a handful who have and continue to do that. I have been busy with work but I will look at Pat vs. Kim in Conference titles, win percentage, rankings vs. NCAAT success and a few others to see how they compare. What skews the data for us is Geno’s Unattainable Championships, consecutive Final Fours and his record in Championship games. We are jaded against any and all others. Take him out of the equation and in a few years maybe MM or Kim replace Pat as #2 all time. Geno helps Pat’s legacy (despite VolNation biases) maybe more so than it should. Pat’s early years were not nearly as competitive an environment as it is now. If Kim wins 5 titles in this new era of sports, would that not be as great as Pat’s 8? Maybe, maybe not but it is debatable. :) [/QUOTE]