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Message: [QUOTE="bballnut90, post: 3246573, member: 2117"] Players who change the landscape of WCBB usually do lead to multiple titles, or they're at least in the mix multiple years. You look at Tennessee/UCONN and that's the biggest reason why Pat/Geno have had the success they've had. Parker/Holdsclaw were responsible for 5/8 of Pat's titles, while Stewart, Moore and Taurasi are responsible for 9 of Geno's 11. Griner fits into that category as a game changer and should not have exited early in both 2011 and 2013. She is the most unique physical specimen women's college basketball has ever had. No one has had her size, length, coordination and overall athleticism. In college she absolutely dominated defensively and established herself as an all time great in a very select group of players. She rewrote shot blocking and scoring records and improved immensely from being a lanky freshman to becoming a dominant offensive post as a senior. Where her (and Kim's) legacy is tainted is that she came up short was by missing the Final Four in 2 of her last 3 seasons. She had a very talented and senior laden roster in 2013, and Baylor was the prohibitive favorite to repeat with everyone coming back from a dominant 40-0 season. The Louisville loss was such a let down because Baylor had now been upset twice in the last 3 season before the Final Four despite having a championship caliber team. Most other "greats" have come up short at some point, but they either get beat by a top tier team or at least make a deep run. Or they have multiple championships to hang their hat on. Baylor inexcusably lost to a 5 seed in the NCAA tournament during the Sweet 16 while having what should have been one of the very best teams of all time. Griner is unquestionably an all time great player, but when ranking her on "all time" lists, it's hard to put her ahead of Tennessee/UCONN's big 5 (Parker/Holdsclaw/DT/Moore/Stewart) or Miller since she has just 1 title and came up short in 2 other years that she could've won. This era will also be part of Kim's legacy for coming up short, which she continued to perpetuate through 2018 until she won another title this past April. She has a chance to create a new legacy with her talented 2018 class and "make up" for what she wasn't able to accomplish when she had 3 years of Sims/Griner. If she retires tomorrow she'll still go down as an all-time great, but if she can get a title streak going or make Baylor a consistent Final Four team going forward, she has a good shot to stake a convincing claim as the 3rd best coach of all time after Pat/Geno. [/QUOTE]

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