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Message: [QUOTE="bbsamjj, post: 3231546, member: 1738"] So this idea that Kim Mulkey "only" won 1 championship with Griner is interesting, because it assumes that great players automatically lead to championships. If you look at Griner's four years at Baylor, here's how the team finished: Freshman year: FINAL FOUR, loses in semis to National Champion UConn (with Moore and Charles) Sophomore year: ELITE EIGHT, loses to National Champion Texas A&M Junior year: NATIONAL TITLE Senior year: Sweet 16 loss to Louisville I think it's safe to say that her frosh and junior years, the team probably went as far as it could go. Sophomore year was tough--Baylor had beaten A&M three times already in the regular season, and it was kind of a shaft to have to play them again in the Elite 8 with a team so familiar with them and no pressure, that also obviously got hot at the right time and took it all the way to the championship. Senior year is fair--one of the bigger upsets in NCAA tournament history (up with Duke beating Holdsclaw her senior year). But who are the other players at Griner's level, and how did they do in college? --Stewart (4 titles in four years) --Taurasi (3 titles in four years) --Holdsclaw (3 titles in four years) --Moore (2 titles in four years) --Charles (2 titles in four years) --Parker (2 titles in three years) --Bird (2 titles in four years--though lost her freshmen season to injury) --Catchings (1 title in four years, though lost her senior season to injury half way through) And players who never won titles: Augustus (3 final fours), Fowles (4 final fours), Nneka (4 final fours), and of course EDD, Angel, Cappie, Skylar and more. I only included contemporaries, and not greats like Cheryl Miller, Swoopes, Leslie, Staley, etc. [/QUOTE]

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