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Message: [QUOTE="DefenseBB, post: 3230933, member: 7492"] We periodically have these types of discussions that bubble up many good points and opinions that should create thought and dialogue, which is what my intent of this thread was. I am at a loss as to how to assess the multiple Elite 8's and Final Fours of Tara and MM given they only have 2 titles each. There is a "You have to be in to win it" aspect that is laudable. Even if we decry Kim's lack of regular FF's her 3 titles in 14 years in 19 years of coaching is laudable. She certainly is a great recruiter and to bemoan her lack of coaching is a disservice to her as she certainly runs circles around Karen Aston, Brenda Freese, Holly Warlick who all have recruited as well if not better during these past few years. Tara has been hot and cold in recruiting, and she's hot right now but I think this years squad is too young and inexperienced to compete for a Final Four. Heck she might be 3rd or 4th in her conference given what OU, OSU and UCLA have returning. What's interesting to me is no mention of the SC Gamecock crew. Personally, I think Dawn is a tad overrated as a coach. While she's made 2 Final Fours, she probably should have made a few more, she has regularly recruited well since that first Aja Wilson class of stars, yet transfers abound and periodic dissention occur. Also interesting is to see how Vic Schaefer handles life without McCowan. Maybe he thinks if he has 4/5 bigs, one will develop like Big T did. Ok, the thread convinced me that 1. Geno 2. MM 3. Kiim 4. Tara 5. Dawn 6. Kelly Graves (yes, I selected him over Vic! but it was close and based on what Kelly did at Gonzago) 7. Vic 8. Jeff 9. Brenda (and it pains me to put her here) 10. Gary Blair (I think he wins the SEC this year!) Have at it and tell me why I am wrong (as you always do and I appreciate it!) :) [/QUOTE]

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