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Message: [QUOTE="champs99and04, post: 2779829, member: 488"] I know what a contract is. He unambiguously violated the terms. To the extent that those terms undermine the interests of the fans is what we're discussing. I'm not trying to sell Ollie's case as the gateway to heaven. I'm trying to protect college sports fans from exposure to BS by demonstrating how this particular practice reinforces everything we hate about the NCAA and corporate greed. Look closely at how the blame has been deflected. When I agreed to pay money in exchange for tickets, I thought I was investing in a compliant program. If they're getting their money back, why not me? Since when do we allow businesses to promote one thing, sell you something else, and then keep the money? That is what's happening here, and it works because they've given us what we want (a new coach) and a scapegoat (the old one). (Insert response here about how it's not in the terms of the consumer contract to reimburse fans after an NCAA violation and I should have known better) Well yeah. This is how things change - by shining a microscope on corporate dishonesty until the "contracts" begin to align with something more practical. Until then, the schools and the NCAA will continue to take our money, flash disingenuous moral arguments at you about amateurism, and then watch us take the bait and pretend amongst ourselves that this is about something other than money. I'm not granting Ollie the right to do anything but his job, which happens to stand in direct contradiction to the things they cited in the termination letter. So while I can appreciate the significance of breaching a contract, I'm less inclined to care when the terms he violated are scribbled in crayon and vetted by an entity that exists only in our imagination. If we want to ignore the fundamental fallacies of this case, we unwittingly grant the NCAA permission to do the same next time they decide we don't have enough top 50 road wins to make the tournament, or the next time they want to reshuffle their APR formula. All things are liable to be written somewhere, at some time. When something is written that insults our collective intelligence, we should fight not as mobsters but as consumers and citizens. Treating people the right way matters and we should recognize that before anyone. [/QUOTE]

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